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How do I copy and paste a pan and zoom from one track to another in Camtasia Studio 8?
I have done this for a long time in v7 for split tracks to retain its current pan and zoom position when a clip continues into the next cut clip. For example I split the video, apply a faster clip speed with pan and zoom, then copy that pan and zoom to the nexp clip which is at normal speed, this way the pan and zoom keeps its position and zoom level?
Thankyou.
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Camtasia Studio 8. Copy and paste Pan & Zoom from one clip to another , how?
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Just a quick update on this feature: The current plan is to include this in a future release. Keep an eye on this thread for an announcement when it is released.
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1Hi Daniel,
As you may have noticed, the timeline was completely rewritten, which meant we had to start from scratch on the existing features. Unfortunately, copy/paste on Zoom/Pan keyframes fell off the bottom of the list and didn't get re-implemented.
I'm very sorry about that.
As a workaround, if you just want to continue a zoom across splits, you could group the two clips and then apply the keyframe to the group. That will apply the zoom at a higher level that will be maintained across clip boundaries.
Randy
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3I hope the current product manager gets fired - to sign off on these changes and remove features without consideration of the needs of the users is a very fast way to destroy customer loyalty.
Up until now, Techsmith had very loyal customers. This loyalty is now being very severely tested - how quickly and effectively you are able to rectify this will determine the fate of this otherwise brilliant product. Right now it is effectively useless and I regret upgrading to v8 - it has already cost me a huge amount of time and frustration and is impacting on my clients too. -
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3I was sure I was doing something wrong when I couldn't figure out how to copy and paste the zoom in v8. This is such a basic efficiency/productivity feature that I didn't presume for an instant that this feature had been removed--I only thought that I didn't know how to do it.
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3I found the suggested fix inadequate. Not only did this not apply the zoom across each clip, when I ungrouped the clips, it caused the focus to go completely random - scattering the zoom and screen position of each and every clip. The copy and paste was a simple and effective method. Whatever this group/ungroup suggestion is I won't be using it in the future. Not my first problem with v8, hardly expect it to be my last. May recommend my company moves away from techsmith products if this the quality we can expect in the future. Work fast, 50-100 licenses here. -
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4Being able to have the exact same zoom and pan from one clip to another is CRUCIAL.
I routinely shoot the video long so I can make multiple cuts instead of extend frames...it gives me more room to adjust things quickly.
I need to be able to add and adjust my zoom and pan both before and after such cuts.
This alone is enough to tempt me to revert to Camtasia 7, despite liking a lot of other features...
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6I hate to say it, but I am getting ready to uninstall Camtasia 8 and return to version 7.
There are just too many "updates" that have made my usual workflow uh, unworkable.
In less than an hour, here's what I've found.
1. No ability to copy/paste zoom/pan keyframes. HUH?!
2. No ability to copy/paste transitions. Double-HUH?!
3. No ability to move all audio clips (you used to be able to SHIFT+drag to move all clips at once - now it's a one-by-one operation?! Ridiculous.
4. Having to select clips to apply transitions? Why can't you add a transition when the playhead is on a cut, which is of course the actual location for a transition.
Hopefully I'm just missing something and all of these features are there, just undiscoverable.
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3In camtasia 7 I could select a zoom key, copy and then paste it to another part of the timeline to match the zoom level. This was especially useful after some kind of cut. However, if I select a keyframe in 8 and copy I copy the whole section of the timeline and not the keyframe.
I have manged to match zoom levels by manually inputting the information from one zoom to the next clip but that is really long winded.
Please would you give us back the ability to copy and paste zoom keys.
Thanks
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4I won't be upgrading to Camtasia 8 until this feature is restored.
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3I use manually inserted zoom-n-pan markers alot, and in version 7, it was easy to copy and paste them between clips - with settings intact.
In version 8, it seems that this isn't possible anymore - forcing me to having to manually create each zoom-n-paan marker, inserting it to each clip. This is a big drawback from my point of view!
I also dislike that zoom-n-pan markers cannot be placed on a separate track as in previous versions. It just feels unnecessary having to open or close animation windows all the time. If left open, the track annoyingly overlaps the track above.
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3One feature I really liked, which seems to be missing in version 8, is the ability to copy and paste the zoom marker on the time line.
I often split up frames, and when I zoom one, I want a seamless transition to the next frame. If the zoom in not exactly the same on both frames you can see a slight jolt in the video. So, in Camtasia 7, I would right click the little blue ball on the timeline and hit copy, then go to the beginning of the next frame and hit paste, and it would put the zoom at the exact position.
But with Camtasia 8, I right click on the blue zoom ball, but there is no option to copy. So I have to try to manually put it at the exact position, but I can never get it just right.
Please bring back this feature.
P.S. Camtasia 8 is awesome
Thanks!
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3Yes, this HAS to be put back in. There has to be an easy way to get the same zoom and pan setting from shot to shot. Big step backward here IMO
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1Hi Daniel,
As you may have noticed, the timeline was completely rewritten, which meant we had to start from scratch on the existing features. Unfortunately, copy/paste on Zoom/Pan keyframes fell off the bottom of the list and didn't get re-implemented.
I'm very sorry about that.
As a workaround, if you just want to continue a zoom across splits, you could group the two clips and then apply the keyframe to the group. That will apply the zoom at a higher level that will be maintained across clip boundaries.
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Thanks for your quick reply. The workaround works well for this application im using it for, thankyou. Will the copy & paste for pan and zoom get put back in? -
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Not sure on that one. I don't know if that got dropped altogether or just deferred until later...
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can you comment when you do find out please
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1In Camtasia Studio 8 how do you now copy just the zoom effect to another picture? I have lots of screen shoots that all need the same zoom setting.
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Having lots of screen shots may be a issue if you dont have them all on the same group. It is a shame this feature is gone as it worked without any issues, and I used it alot, almost on every project.
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2Please ask them to put it back in version 8! :)
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1I'm going to change this topic to an "Idea" so that people can upvote it and we can keep track of it better. If you miss this feature, make sure to +1 it at the top of the page.
Again, very sorry we snatched away an important workflow.-
To me, rewriting the timeline from the ground up without the ability to copy/paste keyframes is like redesigning an automobile from the ground up without including a steering wheel. This is such a basic feature, and is the primary reason I do not use Camtasia 8 and have continued to work in Camtasia 7.
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Iv been doing some video editing today, and iv ran into the same problem over and over again.
Example: Im zooming into a person about to perform a fishing cast, I repeat this clip in slow motion, then copy that clip again to extend certain frames for narration. When I extend the clip you can guess what happends, the zoom is lost so it pops back out. In camtasia 7 I simply copied the zoom from the last clip, paste it into the new one, then remove any fade in so as to place it at the beginning of the next clip.
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3Yes, this HAS to be put back in. There has to be an easy way to get the same zoom and pan setting from shot to shot. Big step backward here IMO
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3One feature I really liked, which seems to be missing in version 8, is the ability to copy and paste the zoom marker on the time line.
I often split up frames, and when I zoom one, I want a seamless transition to the next frame. If the zoom in not exactly the same on both frames you can see a slight jolt in the video. So, in Camtasia 7, I would right click the little blue ball on the timeline and hit copy, then go to the beginning of the next frame and hit paste, and it would put the zoom at the exact position.
But with Camtasia 8, I right click on the blue zoom ball, but there is no option to copy. So I have to try to manually put it at the exact position, but I can never get it just right.
Please bring back this feature.
P.S. Camtasia 8 is awesome
Thanks!
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1Really bad, many mistakes in this version: you can't move the selection for zoom using the arrow keys like v7, you can't copy and paste the zoom marker, the properties for each zoom marker are gone, you must "jump" to another section called "visual properties", you can't edit manually the duration for the zoom thansition like v7, you need to zoom in a lot in your timeline to drag the marker and ajust the duration.
You can't use the key DEL to delete a selection in the timeline, you must press the "cut" button, is easier using a key than a button (move your mouse to the cut button every time you need to cut/delete a selection), however you can press control + x, I delete a timeline portion 30 or more times in a 10mins clip, what a waste of time.
The waveform is on bottom line of its track, is not centered. In v7 I drag and drop my intro video into the timeline in front of my main video (recorded), Camtasia moves the video and audio, in v8 is harder to do that, I can't drag and drop in the same track like v7, you must use other track an then move the main video and audio to fit it, again, waste of time.
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3I use manually inserted zoom-n-pan markers alot, and in version 7, it was easy to copy and paste them between clips - with settings intact.
In version 8, it seems that this isn't possible anymore - forcing me to having to manually create each zoom-n-paan marker, inserting it to each clip. This is a big drawback from my point of view!
I also dislike that zoom-n-pan markers cannot be placed on a separate track as in previous versions. It just feels unnecessary having to open or close animation windows all the time. If left open, the track annoyingly overlaps the track above.
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4I won't be upgrading to Camtasia 8 until this feature is restored.
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3In camtasia 7 I could select a zoom key, copy and then paste it to another part of the timeline to match the zoom level. This was especially useful after some kind of cut. However, if I select a keyframe in 8 and copy I copy the whole section of the timeline and not the keyframe.
I have manged to match zoom levels by manually inputting the information from one zoom to the next clip but that is really long winded.
Please would you give us back the ability to copy and paste zoom keys.
Thanks
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I saw more mistakes with the zoom feature. Zooming outside the screen recorded borders? that's crazy, I have an original recorded video (1280 x 720), from that version I need to make two new versions, 480p and a 4:3 version (960 x 720)...when I make the 4:3 version from the 720p is "all OK", but when I tried to make the 480p from the 4:3 version using the existing zoom markers, is all weird.
Is really weird, the zoom screen moves outside the screen recorded, showing a black bars on its sides, yeah, Camtasia are zooming outside the recorded screen. In v7 I make those version with no problems, using the existing zoom markers. In v8 you need to move to a new position each zoom marker that is outside the screen recorded, this makes my job harder.
I don't like that Camtasia v8 shows the entire screen recorded on the live preview panel when you are working with a crop version from the original one, like I said above, If I record a 720 version and I need that original version for my project, there is no problem, but if I make a new version from it, supose 480p, I need to see only that video's portion in the preview panel, not the original 720p version with darker borders.
Like v7, the full screen is showing in the zoom panel, not in the preview panel, now there are two "zoom" panels, the "real" zoom panel, and the preview panel showing a darker image in the borders that the final video will not show.
In v7 is easy to move the screen in the zoom panel and you can see a live preview of the actual size of your project, with not distracting and useless borders in the preview panel when moving like v8, I can see a full preview of my project.
Sorry for my English.
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6I hate to say it, but I am getting ready to uninstall Camtasia 8 and return to version 7.
There are just too many "updates" that have made my usual workflow uh, unworkable.
In less than an hour, here's what I've found.
1. No ability to copy/paste zoom/pan keyframes. HUH?!
2. No ability to copy/paste transitions. Double-HUH?!
3. No ability to move all audio clips (you used to be able to SHIFT+drag to move all clips at once - now it's a one-by-one operation?! Ridiculous.
4. Having to select clips to apply transitions? Why can't you add a transition when the playhead is on a cut, which is of course the actual location for a transition.
Hopefully I'm just missing something and all of these features are there, just undiscoverable.
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Hi L P,
Thank you for your feedback. I will attempt to address each of these for you.
1. At this time you cannot copy / paste zoom/pan animations. However, we are hearing from people that this a feature people would like to have. Be assured the Product Manager and development team see your feedback and request to have this ability.
2. The way transitions work now are completely different from previous versions of Camtasia Studio. We did not implement copy/paste for transitions but this doesn't mean we aren't open to having that ability in a future release. Again, the team will see your request here.
3. You can quickly select any media on one or more timelines by clicking and dragging a box around the media to move. This automatically selects the media and you can drag it wherever you would like.
4. You don't have to select media to add a transition. Once you grab a transition in the Transition tab, you can drag it to the timeline and drop it on any media that can have transitions applied to them. Those areas will all appear in yellow as you moved the transition around the timeline.
I hope this helps,
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I agree. If you have a long legnth of videos on the same track and you zoom out to grab them all it is difficult to see if you have grabbed the correct 1st one because you are zoomed out so far, so then you have to zoom back in to be sure you got it and if you didn't you have to start over.
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That is ridiculous. i have the same problem.
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I posted this in another thread without realizing this is the original thread. In case it helps anybody, I'll repost:
To expand on Kelly's answers, here are a couple videos to show how to do #3 and #4:
Dragging multiple clips: http://www.screencast.com/t/vO338kEmD
Adding transitions: http://www.screencast.com/t/QlRkciE7
I hope that helps! :-)- view 2 more comments
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Dragging multiple clips. Any project longer that 30 min I have to resort to V7, as to have to zoom right out to see all clips to then manually select far to many individual tracks is not a effective solution. This takes away from the speed enhancements implemented into v8 which is a shame.
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+1 Again. Not bring able to extend a clip or image is a major issue. Everytime you have to add something you have to move the entire timeline? Yikes! I love the multiple tracks, but I don't understand why that caused a major editing to be removed.
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2Despite some key things removed, I feel quite positive about the additions that has been made, the key point being they listened to our requests. V8 feels alot more stable and faster.
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2I too used this feature quite often, hope to see it return as well.
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4Being able to have the exact same zoom and pan from one clip to another is CRUCIAL.
I routinely shoot the video long so I can make multiple cuts instead of extend frames...it gives me more room to adjust things quickly.
I need to be able to add and adjust my zoom and pan both before and after such cuts.
This alone is enough to tempt me to revert to Camtasia 7, despite liking a lot of other features...
It's simply crashing my productivity...causing a snafu with my work and my boss.-
I'm going back to Camtasia 7 too for all my editing and then publish with v8 to get the new features like the Smart Player and other v7 bug fixes in the custom production.
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I'll bet cr was excited to discover the bugs in being able to convert projects from 7 to 8
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2I used to be able to copy/paste zooms from one video to the next but I can't see any way to do that now. Do I have to memorize coordinates?
Can't see how to drag an extended frame longer than the default in the case where there are several videos past it on the timeline. I can't find a way to move all the videos down the track together to keep everything in sync.
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Those two things are also my headache with the new version!
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1Hello,
I have merged this topic into the larger topic about zoom animations.
You can quickly select any media on one or more tracks by clicking and dragging a box around the media to move. This automatically selects the media and you can drag it wherever you would like.
http://www.screencast.com/t/vO338kEmD
With multiple tracks, you can always select your content that is further down the line, group it, then move it up to a different track. Then, extend the frame to the desired duration then realign the group either on the new track or the original track.
Here is a short video to show you this process.
http://screencast.com/t/6VNMMrCLt93
I hope this helps!
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Kelly those were informative videos but, I would have to agree with Michelle on copying and pasting zooms-n-pans. Is it possible if you have two or more videos on one or more tracks to copy and paste the zoom-n-pan to another video track or from another separate video that was produced? I hope this makes sense. It would be nice to have the ability to just copy and paste them like it was in version 7. Let us know if this is possible and thank you. Keep up the great work Kelly.
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I agree- I constantly copied and pasted zoom and pans between tracks, and used to to this cool little trick where If I had a fillable text box I'd do a fade transition between the empty text box and the one with text. I thought I was missing something when I tried it in 8. Please consider reinstating this function. I do love the new features though, particularly the grouping feature and enhanced media assets. Looking forward to 8.1 (with copy and paste of zoom keyframes!)
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1Another zoom and pan feature I really miss in v8 is the LIST of the zoom/pans at the top of the zoom-pan window as see here in v7:
http://screencast.com/t/9fpGeMd7vN
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1Yes- I've also determined that I can use both Camtasia 7 and Camtasia 8 together. Last night I edited my video really quickly and efficiently in 7 then brought it into 8 and added some new callouts and animations from the Library to make a really sweet tutorial. So now I get the best of both worlds.
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Scott, unless you specifically removed Camtasia 7, you should have both 7 and 8 running simultaneously on your computer. Camtasia 8 does not overwrite Camtasia 7.
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Thanks Michelle - I've got my IT department looking at it for me. Best of both worlds!
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One thing I would like to add to Michelle's comment is that the PowerPoint Add-In will be used by whichever version you installed last. For example if CS 8 was installed first and then you install CS 7 with the PowerPoint Add-In Option it would default to CS 7 and not CS 8 and vice versa. This is just from my experience and thought I would share it with everyone.
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Hi Scott,
No, you cannot open CS 8 projects in earlier versions of Camtasia Studio.
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A work-around is to produce an avi file from CS8 and bring it into CS7. See the following for more uses of avi files.
http://techsmith.custhelp.com/app/ans...
" Some things to take note of however before producing the AVI: The edits made so far will now be permanent. Callouts, titles, transitions – all of these edits will be part of the produced file and they cannot be changed after the fact. Markers, Hotspots and Quizes will have to be redone on the new Timeline because they will not carry over in the produced AVI."
So, I produce an avi, revert back to the earlier version, and complete with the markers...
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2Oh..my god..!! in just 1 hour i just uninstalled it and go back to my ver 7. pls bring back
1. copy/paste zoom/pan keyframes.
2. copy/paste transitions
3. Ability to move all audio clips
How can you missed this very important workflow features that people used to it for a very long time.!!?? other than that i can see some excellent improvements. especially the new techsmith codec..wow it just reduces my files more than half.-
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WOW the group feature was EXCELLENT..i just saw your answer..the group feature make the copy paste unnecessary. and it save me a lot of time. thank you :)
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No, not really. It only makes copy/paste unnecessary if the clips you want to group are right next to each other. I frequently copy/paste keyframes between segments of video that are all around the timeline. Grouping them together is not a viable option, and this is such a basic feature that I can't believe Techsmith released Version 8 without it.
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Hi Tom,
I'm sorry you are disappointed with the new Camtasia Studio.
However, I just want you to know that you are able to do both of these tasks with the new version.
You can quickly add an animation to any media to have it move.
You can also add a transition to a clip that is preceded by nothing on the timeline which will give you the look you desire. You no longer have to have transitions only between two clips.
I hope this helps!
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1so can we get an answer (yes or no) if techsmith will be fixing the copy zoom issue? what about the ability to slide all of the files at once by hitting the shift button like in V7?
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3I found the suggested fix inadequate. Not only did this not apply the zoom across each clip, when I ungrouped the clips, it caused the focus to go completely random - scattering the zoom and screen position of each and every clip. The copy and paste was a simple and effective method. Whatever this group/ungroup suggestion is I won't be using it in the future. Not my first problem with v8, hardly expect it to be my last. May recommend my company moves away from techsmith products if this the quality we can expect in the future. Work fast, 50-100 licenses here.
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3I was sure I was doing something wrong when I couldn't figure out how to copy and paste the zoom in v8. This is such a basic efficiency/productivity feature that I didn't presume for an instant that this feature had been removed--I only thought that I didn't know how to do it.
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I know that you will fix this and yes, I understand your explanation about building this from the ground up. We need this fixed as soon as possible. Some persons purchased Camtasia 8 for the first time (my work installed C8 after my recommendation) and do not have the luxury of going back to C7. But even then...how do I tell them .. Ok record in C7, pan and zoom in that program and then import into C8 to do the other stuff. This is not an enhancement or an idea; it has been part of your program that has made your product "top dog" and made our videos editing productive. Guys. this is a productivity issue affecting our jobs. It takes so much time to do the workarounds. Please, Please please make this work.
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If it was only copying and pasting that is messing up workflow that would be great, but, it's a dozen things that were deemed unnecessary in the new build. We can learn to do all of these things eventually, however, so many things that didn't need fixing got dropped.
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3I hope the current product manager gets fired - to sign off on these changes and remove features without consideration of the needs of the users is a very fast way to destroy customer loyalty.
Up until now, Techsmith had very loyal customers. This loyalty is now being very severely tested - how quickly and effectively you are able to rectify this will determine the fate of this otherwise brilliant product. Right now it is effectively useless and I regret upgrading to v8 - it has already cost me a huge amount of time and frustration and is impacting on my clients too. -
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2This is the worst upgrade in the history of upgrades. I have been producing a movie a day for the past two years and now am wondering how to do SIMPLE TASKS like dropping a clip into a movie without it OVERLAPPING the movie.. I don't need a movie ontop of a movie.. -
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1I completely agree with Simon and Kit. I can't understand how any product manager, or a software test group manager, would release this software to manufacturing when a critical element of the user interface (UI), i.e., the timeline feature a) is evidently still in an "alpha development" state, and b) has a user-hostile UI like this. I agree with everyone else in this message thread who is complaining loudly that the timeline feature in version 8 is JUST AWFUL compared to version 7. It is awful.
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I've never worked for a software house that would consider this level of development "good enough" to release it to manufacturing. The top-level managers I've worked for would, without remorse, demote or even fire the division managers who were responsible for releasing an inadequately developed UI like this. That's a very harsh statement I know, but it's true. There is no other way to say it: this is simply unprofessional. Based upon my 30+ years of programming experience I'd say the negative feedback being levied against this release should serve as a sober wake-up call to the managers at TechSmith--and particularly for the manager who signed off on the timeline UI for this version.
Believe it or not, I'm not saying this to be a jerk; I'm saying it because I believe an earnest reality check is necessary at this point for the product managers at TechSmith. Whether they choose to acknowledge it or not, the company's reputation has been tarnished by this release. As a consumer, it is evident to me that TechSmith believes it is okay to release inadequately-developed software to the public. It is not.
If TechSmith continues to release inadequately developed products like this one, the company is doomed to failure. Period. I've seen it happen many times over the years. Consumers do not tolerate, nor do they develop brand loyalty for products they deem inadequate; they expect/demand a certain minimum level of quality and utility, and rightly so.
So I'm hoping TechSmith will do more than just a cursory review of this failure and then carry on "business as usual." That is a recipe for failure, IMHO. I'm hoping there is a serious evaluation of, and systemic improvements made to, the company's quality control mechanism so as to ensure this sort of quality failure cannot reoccur in the future.
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I agree with Simon, Kit and Jim. To your loyal customers, your actions are speaking louder than words. The minute you realize that some BASIC key functionality that your loyal customers were so accustom to having, did not make it in the version; you should not have released YET.
Is it true that you went for a broader market (to appeal to a larger audience) while dumping on those that have been loyally with you for years. It sure looks that way. This is not the same productive tool as Version 7.
How does your own team like the product? You cannot tell me that they love this product. Basic functionality is missing or it is so poorly designed with items such as: we no longer can use our keyboard but the mouse only, that we have to go to two screens to finish working with an "enhancement" item (before you had everything on one screen). All of this extra clicking, All of this extra work around . Even your enhancements screens were not well thought out. Where are your "usability studies" before this was released?
What happened here? How did this get the approval to be released? Who did your testing? Did they test a full project? The employee that did the tutorials, surely he/she had to notice the differences.. Did he/she use Version 7 to do their work? They had to have... There is no way you can tell me that they used Version 8 from start to finish.
To say that you will escalate this to "an ideal" (previous post) is really absurd (no easy way to say that). To say that you will "merge" (another previous post) this so it can be a larger topic to get notice. I am at lost for words.
This was a mistake from start to finish. why? 1) Persons who did your re-design did not include BASIC items and 2) those that did the testing, did not report correctly; and 3) those that made the decision to release such an inferior product; will cost you customers and their trust. I am still holding out hope that this will be fixed. I too have both versions for MAC and PC and I just cannot believe this product was released. You should have waited a few more months to release. It might have saved you this PR nightmare.
What we don't know is what is going on behind the scenes: Maybe you already have fired or demoted those persons responsible, maybe you are on top of this? Maybe you have to hire new guys to re-write the previous guys work? We are hoping this will be fixed. You took our money and we gladly gave it to you. How are you going to compensate us for hanging on? for still being loyal?
Someone's previous analogy works for me:
If I trade my car to get a newer one, you might expect the newer one to enhance on the previous car. Even if it does not enhance, the same BASIC items like a steering wheel, brakes, gas pedal, motor, wheels have to be working for me to use that car. If those basic items are missing... you cannot sell the car. Who cares if stereo is a great sound system or an individual DVD player sits behind both front seats. Who cares if car can hug the road with the best road suspension. If the car does not have a steering wheel; I cannot drive the car. You should not be able to sell that car.
We, your loyal customers, are the ones that jumped at purchasing your Version 8 We were thinking... Version 7 was a great improvement just imagine what version 8 would hold. Boy were we wrong. How could you use us as your TESTERS. Do you even consider us to be your loyal customers? Please bring back the BASIC things that either missed this release or was made less intuitive, less productive, and not user-friendly. You need to know that some of us have to face our bosses... you don't. This product should have never been released at this time. -
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I will make a positive post here after my scathing review above.
1. There are some major bugs in this release. We know that. The easy functionality of dropping and Camtasia knowing what to do is gone with this version.
2. HOWEVER, my zoom looks really smooth. There are more effects and it's easier to move things around now.
3. AND the biggest advantage is that I can do HOUR videos and edit them and produce them whereas before I didn't have enough memory or the file was too large. Now, it's not. So they did fix that problem.
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So, Camtasia - Is this zoom feature something you think you will include in this version someday soon?
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Back to version 7. Please fix re-add these features quickly!
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1I'm astounded by the vitriol on this page.
TSC ditched the awful DirectShow technology and built something very remarkable from the ground up in an industry they basically defined. I've been with the product since its inception, and I've now written five (going on six) editions of the premiere book on this application.
While I agree that perhaps a few things could have been kept to ease the transition for those who were used to v7, I'm sorry, but v8 is the best release of Camtasia Studio they've ever done. I'm amazed at the massive leap forward in technology. And despite what some above have said of its "beta" status, I actually find it pretty damned polished considering the underlying engine is almost a total redo, and certainly far more stable than its predecessors.
I too would like to see the ability to copy and paste of zoom points back in the product. In the grand scheme of things, I don't consider it an immediate dealbreaker, though different people obviously use the product in different ways. TSC actually IS one of the companies out there who listen to their customers, but the development of updates takes a bit of time. But I'm sure they're listening, and planning accordingly.
As for those breaking out the torches and the pitchforks, and actively wishing to destroy the livelihoods of talented developers and product managers who had the audacity to prioritize a different feature set than the exact one you had in mind, I have two words for you: Grow up. Have enough respect to engage in courteous discourse, and the patience to let this team of hardworking people assimilate your feedback and make adjustments.
If pastable zoom points are a dealbreaker for you and your own personal workflow, fine, go back to v7 for a while. Or even better: inquire about becoming a beta tester and contribute your (respectfully worded) feedback while the product is still in development. But for the love of god, quit stomping around in a huff as if pastable zooms were your birthright.
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Thanks for the clarification. I too stand by my candor and apology.
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Oh, and as a second point of clarification, it appears I made a poor word choice with "spoiled." I wasn't referring to it as a negative, in the sense of a "spoiled child." I mean only that we get used to new advances very quickly, and come to rely upon them as if they'd always been there. When I said, "How quickly we become spoiled..." I was referring to the collective "we," which includes me. Apologies if it came across any other way.
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I agree that I definitely need the ability to copy the zoom setting from one clip to the next.
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Hi Charles.
I was wondering if you have tried using grouping. You can apply animations and zoom levels to a group instead of each clip individually.
Watch this short tutorial if you are interested:
http://www.techsmith.com/tutorial-cam...
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Perhaps if we had the ability to copy zoom/pan attributes, if not an actual copy and paste of the zoom? Maybe this would fit with Camtasia 8's new engine? if I could copy the attributes from one zoom, then paste into another zoom I manually placed, I could have a very similar workflow.
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Your suggestion was "if you just want to continue a zoom across splits, you could group the two clips and then apply the keyframe to the group. That will apply the zoom at a higher level that will be maintained across clip boundaries."
Can you explain the process to "group the two clips" and "apply the keyframe to the group."
Thanks for your help.
Its not as intuitive as the way I was working before, as I liked to do these kinda things as I go, but currently this is the only way.
http://www.screencast.com/t/EsRbni5dK
Randy
If it's the first case, you can trim the right media a in (to the right) a little, then trim the left media out (to the right) a little. You may have to reposition the zoom, but that's an argument in favor of doing zooms last.
If it's the second case, you can expand the group, zoom the timeline out, marquee select all clips to the right and then drag them over three seconds. you can position the playhead three seconds to the right so that dragging will snap to it. After that, you could trim the left clip out to the right until it bumps against the next one. Again you would need to reposition the zoom.
For what it's worth, in CS7, you can't modify cuts after you've made them without undoing back to the point where you made the cut and then re-cutting. That workflow is *very* inconvenient. In some ways, this is more flexible to the workflow. But, as others have pointed out, there are some drawbacks.
Edit: I also just realized you might be talking about extend frame. The "second case" would work for that too. Marquee select everything and shift it over, then do an extend frame on the first clip. Again, I realize that if you have done your zooms before all of this, that workflow is inconvenient because you have to shift all of your zooms.
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" you can expand the group, zoom the timeline out, marquee select all clips to the right and then drag them over three seconds. you can position the playhead three seconds to the right so that dragging will snap to it. After that, you could trim the left clip out to the right until it bumps against the next one. Again you would need to reposition the zoom."
This replaced - Extend Frame, 3, Enter. Plus I now have to manually create any zoom instead of copy and paste a key frame. So as far as I'm concerned, while I appreciate many of the improvements, the actual production time is far greater.
I did just notice that you can still do an extend frame on the clips inside the group, and it will push everything to the right. But, we don't allow you to type in duration anymore, we just use whatever is set as the default in Tools->Options (another subtle feature we forgot about during the rewrite).
But you can repeat it rather quickly. So, I was able to put my playhead on the split boundary, click on the left clip and hit E a few times to make space. Then I just delete the extra extend frame clips until I have one left and extend it to fill the space. Horrible solution, but it works?
Anyway, Thanks for the feedback! It really does help to hear what you think.
Randy
One final thought. Currently the Size and Position rectangle can only be adjusted using the mouse. When the rectangle is selected, you should be able to use "Arrow" keys to move it, and "Shift Arrow" keys to size it.