60fps recording

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(This idea comes what what we’ve heard here in this community as well as from other customer feedback methods we utilize. The feedback we gather here will help us gauge how well it fits our users’ needs. Please let us know what you think)

The Problem

Some applications have rich motion or animations. The recordings of these applications seem lower quality because the Camtasia recorder frame rate doesn’t keep up with higher frame rates

Potential Solution:

Increase the Camtasia recorder’s ability to reliably record at high frame rates such as 60 fps
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Finally! And I suppose also support for exporting at 60fps? Maybe in the new HEVC codec to keep file sizes down?
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David D, Technical Product Manager - Camtasia

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HEVC is something we'll be looking at as well. Thanks for the idea.
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Higher frame rate would be nice, but it's not high on my list of "Camtasia annoyances".  I have issues now with my PC not keeping up while recording and Camtasia dropping frames (approx. 100+ for a short video).  Still, I do notice videos being a bit jumpy and editing not being as smooth, especially when editing a portion where the mouse is moving across the screen.
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I think this would be great....along with support for slow motion from iPhone cameras. I stopped using other software to edit and output into YouTube but Camtasia makes 240FPS useless.  I think this is a necessity for me at least.  
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On Camtasia Mac for the 240fps case, although you'll only see every 8th frame (since we edit at only 30fps currently), if you apply clip speed and slow the clip down 8 times, you will see every frame.
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Are you sure about that???

Because on Camtasia for windows, Camtasia discards everything over 30fps the second it hits the timeline.
Applying clip speed doesn't bring deleted frames back.

Regards,Joe
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I would have to agree with Joe Morgan on this one Leif. It might work that way on a Mac but I cannot say as I use a PC. On the PC I gave this a try and it did not work that way on the PC. Unless of course I am missing something.
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well as a camtasia user myself, i always record at 60 FPS on OBS but when i render it at camtasia and upload it to youtube, it's not 60 FPS anymore
i've used other programs such as final cut pro (which im really bad at) and after rendering it it's 60 FPS
i would love this feature since camtasia is my only main editing workflow application
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled How can I record the screen at 60 fps in Mac?.

I can't record at 60 fps with Camtasia. What can I do?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Full Screen and 60 FPS Game Recording.

While I really hate to share anything that would appear to detract from Camtasia, I do see a fair number of requests for not only recording at 60 FPS, but also full screen games.

For the next couple of days, you can obtain the ZDSoft screen recorder for free instead of paying $39.

I've just downloaded it myself, so I've not used it enough to see if it's worth springing for if you had to buy it. But I thought it might help out some of the folks that are really needing to record in that full screen mode as well as recording at 60FPS.

Here is the link:
http://www.windowsdeal.com/w/zd-soft-screen-recorder-discount-coupon-code/

It downloads a zip package and the details that allow you to register it are found in the included readme.txt file.

Cheers... Rick :)
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PC Only
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled [MAC] How do I record 60 fps gaming on my Mac? Or, failing that, when will it be ....

Please no "MACBOOK, MORE LIKE MACDONALDS! USE A PC!" nastiness ok? Mine is the really nice one, and I typically get 60 fps on my PC EMULATOR on max settings with ENB mods and HD textures, so I actually have a better computer than you. As such, I want to be able to record this glorious MACBOOK MASTER RACE beauty for my gaming channel. If it is impossible, when will it be added? And seriously devs, please don't nerf the functions of this just because most macbooks are crackbooks.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Can Camtasia Record Higher than 30 FPS?.

How does one increase the recording FPS in Camtasia to more than 30 FPS? When I expand the options I only see 1, 10, 15, and 30 FPS as possible choices. I've tried to look this up via Google, but it appears that no one has ever had any problem changing the FPS to whatever they desire.
Am I missing something simple?

To be clear, I do notice a degradation in my capture and I suspect that it is being caused by my frame rate being prematurely capped at 30 when it could reach considerably higher. Prior to using Camstudio I used FRAPS and with FRAPS I was able to sustain an average frame rate of 55 (when I set the target to 60).
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled can camtasia 9 record 60 frames per second? or is it simply just a editor upgrade....

can camtasia 9 record the screen at 60 frames per second? or is it simply a updated editor?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Camtasia produce video over 30 fps.

Today many webcams, pc games and normal computers produce a video output of 60 fps. Camtasia allows me to record in 60 fps, but when I try to produce (export) it is limited to 30 fps. Please remove this limitation.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Camtasia 9 Limits my internal framerate to 20 and it makes me sick to my stomach.....

I am trying to record a game windowed and I normally get 113+fps average. However, Camtasia 9 in windowed forces the framerate to 20 and BELOW, making me watcch an ugly slideshow of barf screen. when I hold alt tab, the framerate goes right back up meaning camtasia recording forces the game to play really badly. I'm not asking to RECORD at higher framerates, I'm saying, why can't I play at a NORMAL framerate?
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If you would add this i wouldnt have to switch to another video editing software, this would be great!
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Spencer Heckathorn

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I recently switched but would love to switch back to Camtasia.
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Who needs this? Gamers?
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Anybody with a 60fps Camcorder,DSLR,Phone,Gamers,etc. The list is very long these days.

 Camtasia opened Pandora's box when they made it compatible with these other formats and left out 60fps.IMO

Regards,Joe
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And people shooting 720p60 or 1080p60 on DSLR.  Make it nice an smooth, even on youtube.
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Spencer Heckathorn

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Even my iPhone outputs 60fps and looks pretty bad when not.
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I'm confused by the mention of DSLR and iPhones and camcorders.

The thread title mentions recording, not editing. And I do think most of what I've seen here are gamers saying they have to have it or the world will end. Then again, once they add it I'm sure something like 120fps will become available and here we will all go again! Wheee!

Seems odd and surreal seeing all the discussion about really high frame rates being needed just to record screen activity. And to think that GoToMeeting and WebEx and suchlike only record at a measly 15 fps! The horror!
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I guess the other way to do it would be to allow 30 fps capture to double for 60fps captures, but if you are going to edit in 60, capture live video in 60, then ideally you want to capture the screen at 60 as well.
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I'm just a goober, but I might imagine that any change in frame rates will also require some substantial changes in the whole Camtasia workflow. Personally, I've never found a need to adjust the recording frame rate. So I'm not sure what would happen if I chose to record perhaps at 15fps and move that into the editor. Seems the editor is kind of hard coded to expect 30fps.

So I would expect that if such changes were implemented, we would see an ability to adjust the recording speed and we would also see an ability for the editor itself to somehow either adapt to the recording speed or allow the user to adjust it.

I seem to recall from a few years back that recording the entire screen at 30fps caused issues with computer resources. Things like ability to capture without skipping frames and other such behaviors. So if we were to double that, I'm not sure what the outcome would be. 

Then as you mention, what happens when you combine mixed media with different frame rates, I'm not sure what would happen then. I suppose one way to deal with it  would be to just play the media and capture it at the higher frame rate. But in my mind, it seems only logical that regardless of what you do, you wouldn't be able to overcome the issues. If something was recorded or created at 30fps, it seems it would just play back at that speed. And even if you were capturing at 60fps, it would still only "see" 30. No real easy way to "fill in" what isn't there and was never there to begin with.

Interesting thing to ponder.

Cheers... Rick :)
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I see your point Rick
 I was confused by this thread because I didn't read it carefully enough.
That's why I brought up camcorders, DSLR's,etc. in my first post

60fps Screen Recording is all about gaming. Camtasia can't even record games in Full Screen mode.  

The way I see it. The Camtasia timeline cannot Edit and Produce 60fps video yet.

Plus, once you start editing. Anything over 30fps places a heavy burden on your system resources. The additional frames are an exercise in redundancy.

How many people would buy Camtasia to record at 60fps "In Windowed Mode To Boot",  knowing they can't even edit it in Camtasia?

Most gamers won't play in windowed mode.  If the recorder isn't modified to record in full screen mode. And the Editor isn't modified to edit the footage.
They won't be interested in Camtasia.

Simply improving the recorder , doesn't go far enough.

Regards,Joe
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There is a separate topic for editing existing 60fps source videos: https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/import-edit-produce-60fps-video .

We are interested in customer feedback on that topic as well. 
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Official Response

We were a bit surprised that screen recording at 60 fps didn’t track a bit higher in the voting. As is mentioned in the Import, edit, & produce 60fps video idea, there’s similarly a point at which high frame rate video is an expectation for screen recording applications. There’s a compelling case that the time has arrived. Based on our research, we believe the need for high frame rate screen recording is most prevalent among those recording gaming. Recording gaming isn’t historically a segment that we have pursued. Understandably, those wanting to record gaming don’t typically choose Camtasia primarily because of price but also because of the lack of 60 fps recording. No doubt, we have heard use cases for 60 fps screen recording outside of gaming. At this time, those use cases aren’t prevalent enough to drive up the priority of this idea.


We will bring 60 fps screen recording to Camtasia but that time is a little too far out say it’s planned so we will leave it at under consideration for now. We’ll update this post when the priority becomes higher.


Here are the definitions of what the statuses mean for Ideas.

Here is the overall vote count for the rest of the Ideas in this round up.

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It's in the top 10 ideas out of 1484(!), so I don't know what you mean with "didn’t track a bit higher in the voting" to be honest. There is even a (not working) Youtube tutorial out there with 40.000 views, so clearly there is a massive interest in this feature.
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Hello and thank you for stopping by;

Dave is referring to the specific round up voting process found here. As you can see in that thread there were many other threads that had more votes; As Dave mentioned in this exact comment, "We will bring 60 fps screen recording to Camtasia but that time is a little too far out say it’s planned so we will leave it at under consideration for now. We’ll update this post when the priority becomes higher."

As development continues we will update this thread when we have more information.

-Robert
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I have a simple question because I really do not know.

Looking at the results found at the "found here" above It appears that you only count votes for the previous Month Only.

Do you not keep a running total of votes on the very same issues over time and see how the same requests add up per Quarter and per Year or even longer?
( To determine what  a user/customer is actually needing. )

Thanks
 
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Hi Bob;

We try to locate all threads on the Community Forums here and merge them into relevant threads (which will add the vote cote and follower count for the two threads together). With the sheer number of total threads it is possible to miss some, so if you see any, let me know as soon as you're able so I can merge them into the appropriate threads.

-Robert
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I now understand how that works. Maybe someone else will see similar threads and let you know to merge them also.

Thanks
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With all due respect because someone doesn't take the time to vote does not mean its not something people want. I wonder how much more you'd take things seriously if the post came from your largest buyer.

Also have you taken into account the countless amount of people who are considering buying the software? They may look at this limitation and simply move on. They most certainly aren't voting.

What about your foreign users who may not even understand the question.

I think using a forum is nice but restricting your features to a few people who post or vote seems kid of backward thinking to me. What is the actual number of votes then that you deem moving a request to adding from DOA?
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One reason you get a lack of comment or vote on a subject is because everyone know even if we had 20,000 votes for something we all know  is we humming and haw we'll have to put on the to do list and it never gets done . In other words the voting procedure is for show think we are accomplishing something.

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The lack of 60 fps recording, and the fact that I can't choose to only record my camera or to only record my screen seems very limited to me.  I just started using the demo version and, these lack of options will not entice me to spend $249.  And to hear that there may be a 2019 version, and that 60fps is now "Not Planned" makes me worry that these options may only come in the 2019 version.  For such a highly rated program, this seems very limited and shortsighted for 2018.  I am sure glad I found this out in the demo.  Regardless of the communities voting on 60 fps, with 4k+ recording options, and just future planning, not having 60 fps is really limiting the future of this program.   

Additionally, I called tech support to ask about seeing my camera in a bigger screen so I can setup and adjust lighting, and he used the word "workaround," and suggested I use the Windows Camera app.  It is never a good thing when something so simple, and seemingly obvious for a RECORDING program, is not included. It shows a lack of understanding  user's perspective.   
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Any news about the 60 fps editing?
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No news is good news, right? ;)
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Maybe after 2 years, they are still thinking if 60 fps editing is a good idea or not. 
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Probably Not, Rick.
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Yeap, probably not. 
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Hello All,

We've updated the status of the 60 fps recording idea to Not Planned. Some of the foundational work has been started and we do anticipate picking up this work again late in 2018. That said, we do not expect to have active development toward this in the first half of 2018. This only applies to the 60 fps in screen recording. 60 fps editing and production is planned and that idea can be followed here. Thanks!
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NOW IN CAMTASIA STUDIO 2018 YOU CAN MAKE IN 60FPS THANK YOU SOOOO MUUUCH TECHSMITH I LOVE YOU <3
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There is no Camtasia Studio for Mac That's a PC thing.
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Just bought the new version - very nice! 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Feature Request: 60 FPS screen recording.

So my research on the forums over the last couple of hours has led me to find out that, while I can now edit 60 fps footage in the new Camtasia, I can't actually make 60 fps footage with its built in recorder. Doesn't this seem like only fixing half of a problem?

If I'm mistaken, let me know. It's possible since the release information mentions 60 fps editing, but doesn't say anything about recording being limited to 30 fps, though that's what I've found people claiming here on the forums.

Techsmith has create an inclusive system here that doesn't require people to get separate software packages for recording and for editing, but if there isn't continuity in the features between the two, what's the point? I know some people are happy that they can use footage from other sources and for them, this is great. However, there are many people out there who primarily use the Camtasia recording footage for their videos and they want that to be 60 fps as well. I was just about to buy the software upgrade when I found all of this information out and this upgrade for me is pretty much pointless. 98% of my videos are gameplay footage and I need that to be 60 fps and I need to be able to edit it in 60 fps and produce a 60 fps video when everything is edited and done.

Please add 60 fps recording as well because until that point, there is no benefit for me to upgrade my older version of Camtasia. I've been using this software for over 5 years now and I love the speed of rendering and the simplicity, but without 60 fps more and more people like me are going to move on to other options because 30 fps is just not enough in 2018. I know Techsmith has said that gamers haven't been their primary customers, but even if that is the case, keeping more people happy with your product is good for business for you and for your customers as well.

I'll repeat it here again, please add 60 fps recording to a future release.

Thanks to the mod who moved this here! :)
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I'm not sure what the actual limitations are, but you CAN actually configure the recorder for 60 fps. And when you drop it into Camtasia, it does seem to report that you recorded at 60 fps. Although, as I understand it, there may be "dropped frames" during the recording. For all I know, it may be dependent on the computer capabilities of the PC being used to record.

So you may want to try an actual recording to see before concluding it's a total bust. You may be surprised.

Cheers... Rick :)
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official TechSmith posts regarding 60 FPS recording indicate that it is planned as a "future"  feature; CS 2018  is the first version to offer 60 FPS editing, and 60 FPS recording was not planned as a part of the 2018 feature set; they are pursuing a cautious development path 

please be patience ...

regarding is 2018 worth upgrading to ...

do you need 60 FPS editing?

do you use the Library?

if so, then 2018 is well worth it

the Library enhancements are significant by themselves
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Upgrade is totally worth it.  Much smoother and faster overall.  You can edit in 60p, but not capture.  We use the 60p to match up with 60p camera recording, and then mix 30p screencaps.
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I would say the upgrade is worth it. The faster rendering/editing times and 64bit support is just a deal breaker for me, however just like you 60 fps recording is very crucial to me. I understand they did not include that feature on the update but honestly I just record with OBS at 60fps with very high bitrate/resolution/color depth, etc. and just export that into Camtasia Studio and is honestly fine. Although like a previous comment mentioned, I too have tested doing 60fps using the recorder (by tools > options > inputs > manually changing fps to 60 > apply) and when droppped on Camtasia it does say it is 60fps in the editing workspace and as well when it is fully rendered by right clicking finished file and going on the properties on windows. Be sure when rendering, set 60 as your fps manually in the MP4 rendering options. Now I honestly can't tell if its true 60fps, doubled frames, or just 30fps but says 60 in the properties. Did Techsmith secretly enable 60fps recording in a manual way or just a software fluke/glitch, not sure.
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Setting the recorder to record manually to 60fps is a HUGE mistake. It doesn't work well at all.
It should be avoided.

I recorded a game playing at 60fps one time.
The recording froze up several times.
Other times it jumped several frames.
The video even ran backwards a few frames at times.

It's so unstable and all over the place. The footage is completely unusable.
And I've got a strong computer and graphics card.

This was a game set to 1920 x 1080.

TechSmith will tell you not to expect 60fps recording if you do that.That's why they don't market Camtasia as a program that can record at 60fps.

Regards,Joe 
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Mhm okay, I never used it for games as I use OBS for that. But I do a lot of screencasting/tutorials so I never noticed those issues doing the manual 60fps
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Seeing 60fps is nearly impossible with the naked eye.
You "Can" tell the difference between 30fps and 60 fps with fast action footage.

A screen cast containing low levels of motion is a different story.

Try right clicking your recordings in the media bin.Select "Details"

I just did a 1920 x 1080 desktop recording. The actual frame rate was 36.44 fps.

Here is that recording.

The recording was smooth throughout.It was a mixture of web surfing and watching a you tube video.
Gaining 6 fps is pointless in my opinion. It's an additional burden for the editor to fill in all those missing frames.

If it works for you. Great. I just think you're spinning your wheels, increasing render times, and gaining virtually nothing. Well, that's not true.You gain slightly larger video files that take longer to upload.

I still have the .trec of that game footage. It recorded at 37.39fps



It's clear that Camtasia has more trouble recording games. At the current Default quality settings. .trec recordings create files that are to large to be manageable.

The recorder would need quality settings you can adjust.
My 4:27 recording is 5.75GB.

Had it been a 4K video game. It could have easily been a 20+GB recording. 

Regards,Joe

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Wow okay I did not know about the media bin details options, and in does in fact show lower frame rate then 60 (mine was 53 fps but it was just 1min40secs of tinkering around folders/directories typing stuff, browsing a little and playing a rendered video). I will probably just stick to OBS 60 recording for games and screencasts now
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Yesterday I created a small Movie clip set 60fps shared on YouTube and looked pretty decent to me

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Why no 60fps recording for Camtasia!?? This really surprises me as there are free programs with this capability. If Camtasia wants to be a premiere recording program and wants to stay relevant, it needs this capability. I might refund the program in the meantime.
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perhaps read my post in this thread from 1 month ago

"please be patient"
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I have found this youtube video useful in creating 1080p 60 FPS video in camtasia 9 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqA4iL08qlo&feature=youtu.be
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Good news, we are tackling high frame rate recording as we speak. I can’t guarantee that we are going to get 60 FPS on on all machines or at all resolutions, but we believe that if you have capable hardware we can make significant improvements. We already have a a beta of this up and running on the Mac platform. If you are interested in beta testing this feature on the Mac please ping us at camtasiafeedback@techsmith.com. BrooksCamtasia Technical Product ManagerMobile Technical Product ManagerTechSmith
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I'm a bit confused by this reply.  Right now, it's showing it was posted 1 week ago.  That would be sometime between May 27th and now.
However, this link states that the functionality existed in Camtasia 2018 and continues into 2019.  That link was posted a full month prior on April 26, 2019.  
So was your post, Brooks, just to update an older thread so that people who were wanting 60fps recording would be aware of it via email notification of this thread?
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That seems to be the standard point of confusion on this issue. The post that you've linked to Andre is not about recording. It's about this: "Camtasia 2018 and later adds the ability to import, edit, and produce 60 FPS "
That is, to work with content that was created in 60fps elsewhere, NOT content that was recorded by Camtasia. Brooks' post talks about the latter task.
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Mal is correct.

-Glenn
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Mmmmm... I just pulled a 1080p 60fps video off my iPhone XS and imported the raw .MOV into Camtasia (2019.0.2).  I split the clip, colorized it, added a speed transition, and created a spotlight, and zoomed in on it.  And then created the output file at the same 1080p/60.  Basically confirming some core functionality.
What am I missing?  (besides testing it in Camtasia 2018)


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What exactly do you think you're missing?
Camtasia introduced 60fps editing in June 2018.

19 June, 2018: Camtasia (Windows) 2018.0.0

  • New Library - Save frequently used assets, effects, and media.
  • Theming - Create themes with colors and fonts and apply to assets and effects.
  • Additional customizable and stock video assets.
  • 60 fps video import, editing, and production.
  • Editor performance improvements for preview playback and timeline edits.
  • Production engine improvements for faster export.
  • New Behaviors (Explode and Fly In).
  • Fixed crash when SCORM selected with production preset.
  • Fixed clip speed not working with decimals in German.
  • Fixed incorrect color when annotation saved to library.
  • Fixed issue with parsing file names for batch production.
  • Other Bug fixes and improvements.
Brooks is referring to adding 60fps "Recording Functionality"to the Mac platform as a beta build, or something to that effect.Re read it yourself.

Regards,Joe

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Joe Morgan

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It's possible to set the recorder to 60 fps manually.But it doesn't actually support it. Results will vary. I have a good strong computer.Tried it with a video game, and the results were pretty bad.The video even tracked backward at spots.Froze, and was just flat out unusable.

Screen recordings drop frames.This is extremely difficult to detect  if the screen is relatively static.

So yeah, the recorder can record at higher frame rates. But not officially, consistently,or recommended.

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Got it.  Officially , at least on the Windows platform, it can.  However, there are known issues with being able to consistently produce correctly rendered output.

And, yes, I agree it would be difficult without something like FRAPS or other above-average toolset/skillset to notice if occasional frames were being dropped.