Allow for zoom and pan effects across several clips.

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Allow for zoom and pan effects across several clips.
The current behavior requires me to set keys at the start and end of a clip if I want a continuous zoom and pan.
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If you are using the same zoom across an entire clip, you can copy a ZP key and simply paste it at the beginning of each clip.
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Quite aware of that workflow, as it is exactly what I would like to stop having to do.
It would be much easier to just set the zoom and have that apply across all clips until the next zoom key. This would cut a couple thousand key presses out of my workflow.
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am I asking the same thing when I say, I cannot create a zoom duration, across a clip split. (end of one clip and beginning of next), I want to zoom closer into the beginning of the new clip from the end of the previous clip. but the duration (zoom in) slider does not work when you place a zoom key at the beginning of the next clip.
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If you want a zoom pan to continue zooming in or out accross a split, you can put a ZP near the end of one clip and another at beginning of next clip; 1st must touch end of 1st clip, 2nd must touch the beginning of 2nd clip; set the start zoom dimensions of 2nd ZP to same as end dimensions of 1st ZP; basically, you stitch ZPs together; this technique can also be used to get a zoom effect that lasts longer than 5 seconds.

But be advised that the effect, when rendeded into a video, will not be perfectly linear in time as the video plays; the way ZPs are rendered may make the ZP effect pulse as it crosses from one ZP to the next.

I played around with this workaround several years ago, but did not find the outcome acceptable. I ended up using a fade transition that bridged the gap between 1 zoom value and the next; it looked better [more natural] in productions.
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What is the ZP key?
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what version of Camtasia are you using?
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v2018.0.5 (64bit - Windows)
(What is the ZP key?)
(Edited)
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thanks for the explanation :),, hoping this becomes an automatic process down the line by simply dragging on the ZP.
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hoping zooming and callouts covering clip breaks is possible down the line :)
its just slow at the moment and tedious.

Camtasia has come a long long way !!. this wasnt even necessary years ago, just creating a great screen recorder, but we have evolved, a great software makes users want to use it more, the case with camtasia. but that leads to more feature requests :), good for business.

still I would want to see motion paths (with in/out easing for each motion path node nd start/end point) for callouts and zooms/pans before this :P,

so the ability to set a zoom start, and draw the motion path,(click it out with the mouse with several points) and resize the zoom end.

You would click out the motion path in the preview window, or in fullscreen mode.

If you`ve ever used illustrators pen tool, or flash`s motion path tool, you`ll know what I mean by nodes/anchors for smooth curves or sharp angled points.
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Hello,

We just released Camtasia Studio 8. Now, editing is much more flexible. You can have a single "animation" (zoom) affect multiple clips. Simply group your clips together, and apply an "animation" to the group.

Select the clips and group them together:


Add an "animation" (zoom) to the group:


You can learn more about what's new in Camtasia Studio 8 here: http://www.techsmith.com/camtasia-wha...

(You can try the fully functional trial for 30 days without having to uninstall your previous version of Camtasia Studio.)

Tom Sirgedas
Software Developer
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Version 7 allowed editing clips withOUT splitting them. Version 8 apparently lost this ability and that is the cause for not being able to easily carry zoom and pan settings into the next area of the video. This flaw and the "half wave form" idea is why I will go back to V7. I'm a big Camtasia fan and having been using it since almost the beginning. Lots of new fancy ideas in V8, but these common sense changes have hurt my work flow significantly as I produce approx 3 videos per week.
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While I agree that there are many small changes that have been detrimental to how I used to work in V7, I have to say that the grouping of clips is pretty awesome...and I only have small qualms with how z&p functions.

I'm not to sure what you mean by by editing clips without splitting them.
Just trying to get a clearer understanding myself.

Mostly trying to find the time to make entries for all of them on getsatisfaction.
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Regarding the "half waveform": Go to Tools > Options... > check "Mirror Waveform". Also, don't miss Leanne's post below about Stitching in CS 8.1.
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I'm not referring to grouping clips. That feature is fine, but doesn't solve the issue. In version 7, I could edit a clip and it did not create a split. If I want a split I use the split tool. Not splitting the clip is very important so that you can span zooms and pans across the video. When they split at every edit (in V8), you have to replicate all the zoom settings for each new clip. This flaw could be fixed if there was an UNsplit tool like there is in Final Cut.

The help article in V8 says the work around is do all your editing of clips AFTER you set your zooms. Not only is that inconvenient, but it still doesn't work. The edits still split the clips and you lose the zoom settings that cross in to that area of the video.
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Ah, I was confused by what you were calling an edit.
You were talking about selecting a section and then hitting delete.
I had given up on doing this sort of edit over splitting the tracks...which is why I never even noticed what you were talking about, so for me the new functionality makes 8 leaps and bounds better than v.7

I totally understand that it sucks when software forces you into new workflows, rather than give the option for new behavior and maintaining old functionality, but it's just a part of the game. (I might be far to used to this sort of )

v.8 almost follows my ideal workflow for video production.
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Not sure what other kind of editing there is. To delete out-takes, ummms, ahhs, etc from the audio track, you have to select that portion of the clip and delete both the video and audio to keep them in sync. Sometimes I delete fractions of a second. It's the same kind of editing we do with all video production (FinalCut, Premier, etc.) So not being able to do that quickly or at all makes no sense to me. Especially since all previous versions of Camtasia have this capability.

Anyway....I'm glad I still have V7. It's one of the best tools I use all day. I had high hopes for V8, but it's all still new. I'm sure in time they'll fix it.
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All my edits are done via the split tool so that I am at no point affecting my actual clip...and instead just editing in / out points, much like I would in AE.
This is how I worked in v7 as well.

Umms and Ahhhs are cut out the same way, although I also usually script all my work now so that I can record via Audition, clean all my audio there and then just use camtasia to record / edit my clips.

So like I said, I never even noticed the changed functionality, and the grouping fits my workflow perfectly because I work with many short clips.

Anyway, I don't think what you want is not related to the grouping feature itself, but to the way edits are made.

If you post it as an idea or problem I will gladly +1
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I see.

Yes, I record audio in Audacity thru an AKG 220 on a shock mount and bring it in to Camtasia. You probably have a similar philosophy on audio quality as I do. ( I was in radio so I am anal about the sound.)

I guess it all depends on what you are used to for editing workflow.

Aside from my own quirks, V8 has some cool animation improvements and TechSmith is great about listing to their following.

Thanks for the banter.
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No problem, that's why I was interested in hearing more.
I come from a 3D / mograph background...all this audio stuff I have been teaching myself...so I'm always interested in hearing about others workflows.

But I am always for more flexibility in a program to allow people to work in a manner that they feel most comfortable with.

My main application has 3 separate methods for navigating a scene...so I am very accustomed to options :)

But yeah, post it as a problem. I'll plus one...as I used to work the same way you do...and I can see the loss now.
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Thanks...I posted the problem here:

http://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmi...
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I'm trying to create a video with 750 images. Isn't there any auto pan and zoom feature? Windows Live Movie Maker and Picasa have these features and are sub-par video creation software.

Do I understand correctly that I must copy and paste 750 times????
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Just bump all your images together on the time line and GROUP them. Then you can add zoom, pan effects to them as if they were one clip.
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I can't figure out how to group and zoom and not lose a previous zoom at the beginning of the group. Steps: I've recorded my video, then zoomed through most of it so you can really see the mouse movements, then used the scissors to edit out things I don't like. Now I've been asked to zoom more in one place (and of course it's across several clips). So fine, I group the clips and add the additional zoom. But what happens is, the first clip in my group loses it's zoom setting which matched the clip before it. So now, there's a big zoom jump at the beginning of my group. Anyone know what I can do to not lose the initial zoom setting on the first clip in the group? Also,
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So to make sure I understand, you create a zoom before you do any editing? So the zoom you have is now across multiple, cut pieces of the video. Is that correct?

My workflow is different. I do all the editing first before any zooms, annotations, etc. Then I split the audio/video and take the audio into Adobe Audition to "normalize" it. I then bring it back in, delete the original audio and place the new audio on the timeline. Only then do I begin to add any edits to the project.

If I want to zoom in to see things better, I increase the view, I don't zoom in.

I'm not saying that your workflow is wrong...everyone does things different. I just don't want to add any editing until I have the video as it's going to look.

Now I know I didn't answer you question but I suspect that if your zoom is across multiple cut videos, it may not behave the way you want it to. I just did a test and with everything connected (no edits), the original zoom stayed in place after grouping so I'm not sure what's happening on your end.

HTH

Dave
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I do what Dave does as well. It does make it easier of you change the order of your work flow. Hard to get used to at first, because it is the opposite if what you did if you worked with Version 7, but once I got used to it, it was fine.

Greg
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Hi - thanks for the work flow advice guys. I started doing the zoom prior to the editing, because I couldn't find a way to zoom across clips after I edited. But of course, I get everything complete, and then the client wants a higher zoom in a couple of places, and then I was stuck. Now, after some research today, I learned how to match a zoom across clips (not looking at the software at the moment so my terms may not be quite right, but it was opening the Visual Properties (of the ending zoom on a clip), writing down the scale and X and Y values, and then typing them into the Visual Properties of the next clip. Ridiculous way to do it, but at least it works. Will think about new flow for my next video.

Also, I'm not familiar with "increasing the view" rather than zooming in...I'll do a little research on that as well. Thanks again for the advice...
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@Carolyn: Here's a quick video I recorded regarding "Increasing the View". Make sure you view it "Full Size" for the best viewing:

http://www.screencast.com/t/BC5Nbg3InEbW

HTH

Dave
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I just wish there were a way to reset zoom across all clips so I could start over. The jarring switch of zoom between clips means it will be shorter to just re-edit the entire clip. Wasted 4 hours trying to get Camtasia to do what I wanted.
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Shawn,

I'm sorry for the frustration. We are working to improve the workflow where you make a bunch of cuts and then add zooms that may span the cuts. For now, the way to achieve this is to group the clips, and then add the zoom animations to the group while it is collapsed on the timeline.
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Grouping helps but without smart auto-seletion (drag or Shift-click) picking 50 clips at once that aren't at the end of a video is sheer madness...and large groups makes Camtasia crawl to it's knees...on an 8 proc, 16GB machine...
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Shawn,

We have noticed that as the number of cuts increases, the performance decreases and the timeline can start to lag. We've been working to improve that as well.
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Hmmm. I drag select multiple clips all the time. Shift-click and Ctrl-click also work for multiple selection.

- Greg