Audio Levels

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(This idea comes what we’ve heard here in this community as well as from other customer feedback methods we utilize. The feedback we gather here will help us gauge how well it fits our users’ needs. Please let us know what you think)

The Problem
Audio levels vary across devices and environments. When recording audio I want to know if levels are good or I want to correct it in editing.
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David D, Technical Product Manager - Camtasia

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MelGrubb

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A "boost level" would be nice too if I know that a certain mic always needs to be raised.
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jeremymorgan

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Definitely a good call, Right now I export my final audio and run it through a leveler, then attach it back to the video and re-render. 
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ajanczy

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This would be very helpful, since I don't have access to other tools (classic laptop lockdown) so I am doing it by ear!
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DrivenMavens

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Would also be nice to have an audio editor that can be tweaked more....rather than just have the noise removal.  
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Susan

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Definately a better audio adjusting system.  It would be nice to have the ability to see what the db level is for each video section.  Doing it manually has been difficult.  
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I'd like to see decible levels somewhere while recording
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ron

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I'd like the following audio enhancements already available on competing products:
1. real db levels and ability to set a -12db threshold
2. auto ducking which will reduce the music track (or another chosen track) when speaking on the primary track
3. auto pause removal.  When speaking while thinking there are pauses that add up to a lot of time.  I'd like to be able to set camtasia to auto-compress these out.  (with adjustable start and end pause times) 
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Petter Dessne

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Yes, both a leveler (combined compressor and limiter) would be nice, and an autoducker. Aactually the compressor/limiter can be substituted for a ducker; see the Waves' Vocal Rider or HoRNet's AutoGain Pro VST plugins. The upside of only doing a ducker would obviously be that it's one thing less to program, and I think a ducker is easier to code than a compressor. (Also, the sound won't get compressed, so it might sound better.)

However, these  things can also be done in a separate DAW or so, as someone said, in case this is too big an undertaking for now.
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Scott McNamara

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Please give us a hot-key for adding an audio edit point.  I'm constantly having to open the right-click menu to fix audio edit points.
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ccmark100

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I would like the Play Head Scrubber to play the sounds as you manually drag the scrubber across the timeline.    

I would like a filter to remove the breathing sound when recording an audio
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I use the leveling feature a lot, usually in custom rather than selecting medium or high leveling.
But one thing I'd like is a more pro option to adjust the gain/compression (that's what the leveling does already) but with the ability to also adjust separate frequency ranges.

Most of the time I make due with the existing audio leveling features however when I need to notch out certain frequencies from a noisy recording (such as a speech recorded in a room via a cell phone) I have a lot better result using Adobe Premiere which has a three band compressor that allows me to amplify (or attenuate) three separate frequency ranges/slopes which gets rid off most noise while increasing the audio range at the same time.

It would be a cool feature in Camtasia. Camtasia is faster to encode and makes a good go-to editing software.
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Audio quality is often what sets the video apart. Most folks viewing the video can't always put their finger on why a video leaves an impression of professional quality. It is usually the audio. I can get good enough sound quality as is. It just takes a bit of tweaking, which often ends up being a majority of my time in post production. If there were settings that could make it easier, I'd be able to make even more videos in the same amount of time. Audio presets? for audio clips like when narrating over an error, have the ability to have it be leveled, noise removed, to match the other clips. Now we can copy and paste effects, but to have a master preset that all tracks would be slave to, might work. Then if one clip needs to be tweaked to match the others manually it could then be relative to the latest setting. Maybe the ability to type in a percent of volume increase. Now the way to drag a line up is audio point to audio point. If we could just type in 133%. To match other audio tracks that may be enough. If you figure out how to make the audio "set and go" that would be awesome.
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Petter Dessne

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So many good thoughts in just one post! :) Whoever is reading this thread at TechSmith should read this post twice. :)

Perhaps some of us could have a discussion together with the devs on what we would like and (from a dev perspective) what's possible to accomplish with a reasonable effort. 
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Simeon Amburgey

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I think some basic metering is essential and one way to help adjust audio track levels is by using VOLUME ENVELOPES. Most Digital Audio Workstations use timeline envelopes to automate things such as VOLUME, PAN, GAIN, ETC.  I also thought I heard mentioned VST plugin support; that would open the door for a lot more audio flexibility in processing, editing, etc.
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Petter Dessne

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Not sure automating audio like drawing envelopes in a DAW would be the way to go in Camtasia. In a video, it's more that different clips have different settings and need to be "glued" together, and that some of them need to be notch-filtered as bjerkan said. I think automation would be both a bit too much to ask and also clutter the interface a bit (but I might be wrong of course).

That said, VST plugin support would be very cool. :) Not sure how fast that can be done, but I agree it would be a super cool feature!

Note that as I (almost) wrote above, one can always save the audio file, import it in a DAW, make adjustments, and re-add it in Camtasia on a separate track.
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Jess Wilkinson

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When recording audio stream sources please show level and give control - Including "enable recording system audio." I can't see what level or clipping for the system source that is placed on the timeline. This feels like a bug or major feature implementation miss for the existing Camtasia recorder APP. I can see the mic input that is selected, but no system levels. I understand not chaining the input back to the monitor to prevent feedback, but at least show signal exists and is not clipping!
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Jess Wilkinson

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Still having this system audio may or may not be recorded problem and when combined with the crash on record -> edit button press I get no backup recordings to recover from either. Sucks for live interview event capture.
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Jess Wilkinson

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Audio VST plugins using standard plugins would allow me to chain audio through Izotope audio tools for better audio quality control at the time of recording.

No, I never really liked the previous noise reduction tool in Camtasia (too many low bit artifacts introduced.) The result has been for me to perform a two pass post capture video workflow for me grr... Export audio, post process and re import and re-align audio sync to video.
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I think VST support would absolutely bring the biggest return on development time. There are thousands of plugins out there, both commercial and open source. It would mean a vast amount of choices suddenly become available all at once.
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Jess Wilkinson

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I agree with Ron's #1 above - use logarithmic db and reference -12db as base level as it appears the audio level bars look like linear VU and don't express a wide range of levels well for proper active level check setting. Please co not auto duck or process audio without the ability to set the preference default to off. Auto audio volume reduction or ducking tends to suck at the most inopportune times when there is noise in the background. I don't do it!
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drummath

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Yes!
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David D, Technical Product Manager - Camtasia

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Official Response
We've updated this idea's status to Under Consideration.

We have a team actively investigating a collection of audio improvements for Camtasia. That includes Audio levels suggestions such as those in this idea. Once we have something more concrete we'll post any updates here.

Thanks.
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ron

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How do we move the audio feature importance from "under consideration" to "completed" since we've been waiting for years to see them?  It looks like NONE of them have made it into Camtasia 2018.  I'll hold my $100 upgrade fee until I start seeing them. 

Seriously, what good is this forum if corporate doesn't implement at least some of the requested features? 
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Randell Cameron

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Agreed, it's a little ridicules that you cannot see your audio lvl outside of the wav thumbnail 
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Jess Wilkinson

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Wish I hadn't upgraded. 2018 is a lot buggier on my platform than Camtasia 9 is. Let alone the fact IO still can't import or convert existing projects from Camtasia 7 or 8 to 9 or 2018.
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I sure wish these audio requests had made it into Camtasia 2018. Too bad as I am disappointed with Camtasia 2018's audio bugs in the release. Locks up frequently on record and transfer to the editor and has a serious -30 db input loss for real microphones feeding USB inputs to windows (Behringer UMC404HD.) Yeah, both Microsoft and Techsmith are to blame or at least blame each other, get over it and fix the bug(s).
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ron

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I agree so much with this!  WHY DOESN'T TECHSMITH implement these requests? It's been YEARS!
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prospectorjess

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We'd be glad to beta them. I like the kiss approach to camtasia design. But several of these audio bugs hold it back.
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ron

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Beta would be good!  Paying for an upgrade with no extra audio features... bad.  :(
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Jess Wilkinson

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Sure would like to hear an acknowledgement from techsmith camtasia support about why this issue persists. No hint of a bugfix or new update to Camtasia 2018. Makes my upgrade a giant waste of time and money.
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ron

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After looking at the missing audio features and bad performance reviews of 2018, I decided to wait until techsmith actually implements the audio features we have been requesting for many years before upgrading. I’m guessing it might happen in 2025 based on the progress, so far...
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Petter Dessne

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Since we're on the subject of working with audio, I'd like to add what I wrote in another post on adding markers to sync with audio (for promotion/music videos etc), according to second, frames, or BPM (https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/add-markers-fr).

I think it could interest readers of this thread, so I paste the post here (not trying to hijack the thread).

BTW, nothing like this exists in Adobe Premiere (for example), so it would perhaps attract more customers to Camtasia.

Also note that since this would simply be ordinary markers, they wouldn't necessarily need to control audio, but could just as well be there to make video clips of equal lengths, say for a tourist agency producing a movie with clips from tourist spots, or for a teacher/coach/parent/etc producing a movie where each child should be given the same amount of space.

I'm sure other people may come up with their own creative uses for this idea: let's say add an overlay effect every thirty seconds, or a popup ad every two minutes? Or just add markers to trim the start point, the end point, or the total lengths of video clips? etc, etc...

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A couple of months ago, I suggested having a beats per minute (BPM) setting for the timeline. The idea was that for a music video, a promotional movie, a catwalk shot etc, one should be able to sync the video clips to the beat. This was evaluated by the Camtasia staff (thanks for looking into that!) but was not so easy to implement.

However, I have thought more about this and refined the idea. How about an Add Markers... option? I'm thinking that one could choose between adding markers according to an amount of seconds, BPM or possibly frames (in case that's of interest).

When the user has entered something and pressed OK, the desired amount of markers would be inserted. Note that even BPM won't match exactly with frames, the difference will never be more than 1.5 hundreds of a second, so it's not a matter for concern.

Doing it this way would be much easier to implement, I assume, and at the same time, the function would be much more versatile!

I tried to convey my idea in the mockup below, ready to rock and in Camtasia style. :)

Petter

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