autostamp identified/selected movable objects

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Hi there.

On our actual project we are designing a lot of software prototypes and mockups.
We have to label and identify a lot of editable fields of this mockups to inform the software developers about the requirements.

I checked the SnagIt editor smart move feature that identify as objects the text fields of my screenshot. But i was wondering if it exits a method to select all the identified objects and then assign a stamp/step or any shape to each one.

Thanks in advance,

Sergio

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Sergio - Are you sure you're using the right software tools? Can you post what you've snagged or a sample of what you're doing?
Imagine using Excel which can display pictures and in real time, re-assign text to text fields etc. Just a thought.


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Hi Ed.

This is an example of the expected functionality:






Have a nice day

Sergio


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Hmmm, that's interesting. Having seen many illustrations like this, I could easily see that being a desired feature for SnagIt to offer.
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I tried to see it like that?
However, Smart move select isn't  accurate enough "Precision Wise" to pull this off .At least at this time.

Plus, in the screen shot.The line starting with AAA.Doesn't number any of those boxes.Yet smart move selects them right along with everything else.You can't exclude what Smart move selects.You can only manipulate the degree to which it selects. And that control level is all over the place. From my testing anyway.


If you wanted to exploit a tool for this.I would have to say Simplify is better suited. At least you can delete selections.Then, you would just need the ability to remove the masks after numbering.

I still think its problematic 90+% of the time, the numbers need to placed properly,automatically, on random  layouts and somehow all in the proper order?
This only works if everything occurs, and is applied in a perfect left to right, top to bottom order.According to the screen shot.
How often does that actually happen in an application, webpage, or anywhere else? I'm thinking almost never.


I'm going with interesting, but not likely to be implementable. 
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I'm still of the opinion it could be done with much less effort in Excel. Whether the data exists in a separate sheets or in a system file, and it could grow to page after page and 1000s of users.
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Hi ed. Sadly i dont get your point.

Our mockups are not done in excel. Usually are html prototypes or existing vba forms and reports which need to be migrated to a new technology.

Maybe, could you link or post an example?

Thanks,

Sergio.
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Hi Sergio -
I'm a numbers guy, so I have no examples of forms with auto-fill names, but dates and numbers are great. If you can provide your email address, I'd be happy to show you something that uses Snagit's grab text, then the text (all numbers) get processed in a spreadsheet with VBA. VBA then feeds the processed data into a program I wrote which crunches the numbers in ways I didn't see how I could get it done solely in Excel. The crunched number can then be fed back to Excel to check the accuracy of the crunch.
And I'd ask you not to share with others.  (It's still a year or two away from being finished)

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Hey Ed, can you expound on the Excel thing? I mean, how it could be done more easily in Excel?

From what I've seen of this thread, Sergio is wanting to simply identify the different fields using the Steps tool. Likely to ultimately create something like this in the final result:



So I'm wondering how one would use Excel to accomplish that goal. Assuming, of course, that my understanding is correct. ;) From what I've seen so far, I'm wondering if you are possibly thinking that Sergio is wanting to somehow manipulate the actual data as opposed to mocking up or documenting a dialog or page. And maybe that's the case. I'm not sure. ;)

My own thoughts on this function from the aspect of TechSmith and their ability to manipulate SnagIt to accomplish something like this are as follows: (Again, working with the assumption my understanding is correct. Which it may not be.)

TechSmith already has the code built to try and identify the objects that are part of the image. Like Joe, I was thinking that Simplify might hold part of the answer, but it doesn't seem to be what is desired here as its purpose is to obscure actual information in favor of generalities.

Since the SnagIt developers are already identifying these areas. It doesn't seem like a stretch at all to consider associating a step number with each area as Sergio is suggesting. I mean, it would seem they are already doing that with the Simplify as well as the Smart Move bits. They are just using Shapes.

As Joe indicated, it likely won't be 100%, but it might be "close enough" that it would or could be a huge time saver by saving the steps of adding all the different steps manually and placing them near the area they are intended to identify.

Cheers... Rick :)
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Hi Rick -
When I saw Sergio's forms, I wondered why he was snagging it. Almost every application I've ever seen (or produced) came with a print or an ability to produce a csv - for Excel! Paradox forms, Open Office Calc's forms, Access Forms, I give even money that 80% or more of every form, commercially produced (for profit), can export to Excel directly. Heck, it's a Windows API, so every program I ever produced could easily send its data to Excel.
So I don't know his data's source, but it seems to be missing a button at the bottom . . . "Export to Excel" and once there, it can be manipulated in countless ways - and one of them is exactly what he wants.
I'd say "Cheers... Ed :)" but that'd be theft of a great and recognizable signature line!
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First of all, thanks everyone for your kindly answers. I will try to be more clear, beacause english is not my first language.

I am sure i could develop an excel file export module and work with the resulting files via VBA scripting, but unfortunaletly i am not allowed to do this and i am not the only member of my work team, which is very diverse. More analytical profiled that a technical profiled.

My job, as Rick said, is to make user case docummentation for the software factory guys. And is not an easy job. 

The underleming features are hard to understand and even harder to explain,  beacause the technical and sectorial bussiness rules. I just can not "waste" 20 minutes just drawing colored boxes

The posted example, is just an extremely easy mockup. Hard coded functionalities have assigned literally houndreds of widgets, fields, etc... and of course we are talking about thousands of forms and reports.

And at this point, SnagIt seems to be a very promising tool. Easy to learn and have powerful features. 

At this momment i think this should be categorized as a "new feature proposal" more than a question.

Thank you very much,

Sergio


PD. Ed, my mail is fearandir@gmail.com.  I will care your numbers and dates with love. Don`t worry,



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FYI.

Adobe Acrobat DC implements the desired feature, but with worst field recognition and visual features, of course.

If you import a screenshot and use the create form feature, a field recognition applies. Then you can use ,"select all fields" and use an option called "show file/field number".

They offer an scripting feature as well.



And... you can export the fields to excel/word file to get a description table as Rick posted