Callout formatting question

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I've been using callouts (the white box with black text) to mask and replace text containing personal information. However, I'm running into a problem when doing this with closely-spaced, small text. The callout box has a large amount of padding around the text that doesn't seem to scale with the size of the font used. I reduce the size of the callout box as much as possible without affecting the text size, set the border to zero and I still have issues with the edges of the callout box covering adjacent text, such as in the adjacent lines of an address. 

So far, the only workaround I've found for this is to create the callout text at double the size I need, then scale the callout at 50%. This effectively cuts the amount of padding in half. While this works reasonably well in most cases, it just adds complication.

Is there a better way of doing this? Do any of the callouts - legacy callouts perhaps - have less padding built in?


Thanks

Brian
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Could you use Shapes instead?  These do not have the padding and text.

And then you can put text on top, the text that comes without a background, so you can customise it how you like.
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Thanks Jen, please see my related comments farther down. 
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I'm not entirely sure what look your hoping for here?
Have you thought about applying cropping to the callout to trim the edges?
I tinted the un-cropped callout gray so you can see the outline.
Regards,Joe

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I was going to suggest grouping a text-only callout with a shape but cropping seems like an easier way.
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I've been cropping the callouts as closely as possible using the handles. I pull them in until the text starts to change size, then back off just enough to get the full-size text. Are you applying cropping as a separate step?

I think Kevin's suggestion is the same thing that Jenm suggested above, which is something I've done in the past. I'm just looking for the simplest solution, since this is something I have to do in most of my videos (the fewer pieces, the better). Some of these items can be saved as library assets, but they vary in size and content too much to make it possible to save everything and still be able to figure out what will work for any given situation. 

I'm beginning to think that perhaps the best thing to do is to create callouts for items I use repeatedly that are much larger than I would ever need - say 64pt text - then scale them to fit. That way, any padding around the text would be minimal in relation to the text size and would scale with it. I'll have to try it to see what it looks like. 
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Yes, cropping is applied after the callout has been created.

You could temporarily turn down the opacity of a callout in Properties. Position and scale it to taste.

Then Crop it. Turn the opacity back up.


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OK, I'll check out cropping as an option.

I actually need the opacity to be at 100%, since I'm typically using the white background to cover existing text that's on a white background.
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The opacity was a technique to allow you to size the textbox with precision before applying cropping. I wasn't suggesting you leave it see through. You would turn the opacity back up.  It just seemed like an easier way to make the text cover an area with precision.
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@bnystrom

Have you tried the Legacy callouts?

I would think they would be the easier option

You can set the padding down to zero or what ever


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Legacy callout don't work so good
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try this ...

put a bold-style single color rectangle callout on timeline; remove its text

add a bold-style text callout over top it; enter text, size as needed

match its size to the solid color callout

group them

then, resize the group at will; text scales accordingly

seems to work for me
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That sounds like another reasonable approach, so it looks like I've got a few things to try.

Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. If you think of anything else, let me know
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Ok maybe I'm mis-understanding the OP's original question.

I'm reading it as trying to re-scale the callout without the text re-scaling in size because of a padding issue ?

If this is correct than For me at least this is doable with the legacy callouts as you can set the padding to zero.

Now if you scale/drag the callout box into the text than yes the text will jump lines or cover the text  but if your have your text at the font you want and just want to scale the callout box tight to the text, the text should not change in size in a legacy callout if you have the padding set to zero.





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Yes, you've got it. With the regular callout, you can only reduce the padding around the text to a certain limit, then the text starts resizing to fit the callout. If you're working with really small text that's going to be inserted into other lines of text, the padding overlaps the adjacent lines of text. 

I just tried a legacy callout and even with the padding set to zero all the way around, it keeps some padding above the text. You can pull in the bottom and sides as much as you want, even cutting off the text. I tried setting the vertical justification to top, middle and bottom and it still leaves padding above the text. This may still work for me in some cases, but it seems like odd behavior. You would think that if it allows you to completely remove the padding on three sides, you should be able to do it on all four. 
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That's what I was attempting to demonstrate in my GIF above.The fact that the padding at the top is not respected.
I guess sometimes pictures aren't worth a thousand words.LOL
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Perhaps if you pull up the bottom until it encroaches on the text, it will be more evident. Thanks for the suggestion and demo, regardless. 
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I see what you mean about the top padding. Pulling the top grab handle down just pushes the text down and out of the callout where as the bottom grab handle pushes the text up but than covers over it.

Never really noticed it as I have not ever placed multiple text boxes really tight together.I can see where this might be a issue.
One of those things that should be re-coded to respect the options.
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@ Joe,
Your picture didn't have the right words. lol