Camtasia Editor Audio DB Meter

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As a user I’d like a decibel meter to be visible while I’m editing so that I can see loudness of my my audio while editing. This will allow me to see when I have clipping occurring and how much variance my audio has.

If you would like to see an Audio Meter in the Camtasia editor, please vote for this idea (smash the me too button). If you have suggestions for how this feature should work, or examples of implementations in other software that you enjoy, please share them here.

Please do not add other feature requests to this thread. 

Brooks
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Brooks, Camtasia Technical Product Manager

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I second this. Large audio meters is a must in any modern video editor.
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Joe Morgan

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REALLY??????????????
Theres 260 votes for a DB Meter RIGHT HERE https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/add-audio-meter

WHY ARE YOU Re-Counting?

Why are all of those votes missing from this Idea?
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I'm with ya Joe.

We shouldn't have to go down this rabbit hole.

The automatically adjusted audio levels added to Camtasia was nice but come on, that was just a pebble thrown in the lake.

The audio tools and options are the most basic as basic can get.
They don't even come close to tools and options in many other editor. Free included.

As the saying goes.

If your audio sucks, your video sucks.

Come on Techsmith, give us more than a bone to chew on.


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Heres some looked over examples from the past.

The timeline has plenty of real estate available. You can place it at the end. It can telescope up and down with the timeline.This is how Premier Pro operates and it works great.
Camtasia 8 Below.




It should be resizable for width as well. Camtasia 9 is next.


The question is? How many versions of Camtasia does it take? To get the most basic and fundamental audio tool ever created in Camtasia?

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The original post conflates record time metering and editor metering. Disambiguation is helpful. Threads go stale and get co-opted in these forums. I tend to view a post and it's response as a snapshot at any given time. There are ebbs and flows of different users whose preferences also change over time. I think it's fair to check the wind here now and then. I'd also like more than a handful of voices to weigh in. Encouraging fresh engagement that's positive, constructive and diverse would be a benefit to healthy discourse and a deeper understanding of the needs of all our customers. Getting some sense of forum member preferences seems like a good idea. If you would prefer me not to at least ask these questions, I can certainly back off. 

I also wanted a clean thread where you could post your preferences. There are lots and lots of different metering solutions out there. Some small and always visible, some only visible when unburied in preferences and some super gnarly and advanced. I've looked at the metering solutions of 5 or 6 NLEs from consumer to professional. Given Camtasia's fit in the market we're likely to take a more basic and simple approach, but I'd like to make sure I'm not missing something brilliant that you've experienced or hidden insight that will help us hit the mark more closely. 

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Threads may go stale. However, TechSmith is the one merging and conflating posts. So that users input is basically thrown out the window. It happened in the very post you and I are referring to. One such merged post is a wish list for an audio level meter.

https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/wish_list_audio_level_meter

if you type “wish list audio level meter” in the search bar of this forum. You cannot even find that post. All topics related to that question are essentially buried forever. Unless someone clicks on the link, that TechSmith essentially buried within that post. You can also find an additional buried link, within that “wish list audio level meter” thread. Depending on the particular topic, these breadcrumbs/buried links. Can take you on a journey all over the forum, to parts unknown.

So you see, we can’t possibly know how many people have voted for an audio meter over time? All we can do is look at related matters. Take all related topics into consideration. I looked that particular thread over. It was practically all related to a VU meter in the editor. Having little to do with a meter in the recorder. So while I agree that the vote counts are muddied. I think you could easily attribute the vast majority of them. To adding a meter to the editor.

When SnagIt 12 was released. It was the first with a dark theme. The forum exploded with anger and a flood of posts and complaints. I believe most of them got merged into one thread. You couldn’t vote for ideas back then. But there were over 500 people in one that wanted something done about it. I can’t remember off the top of my head how your voice was counted back then. 500+ I agrees or something to that effect.

There were so many complaints. It only took TechSmith 3 1⁄2 months to add a light theme to SnagIt 12.

Then along came Camtasia 9 and it’s dark theme. TechSmith wasn’t going to allow themselves to be pushed around by the customers this time. The hemming and hawing with Camtasia has been too much. Almost 3 years have elapsed, and a beta theme is just now produced?   

To the best of my knowledge, you’ve merged everyone’s Camtasia UI posts into one thread as well. If people actually bothered to click on those merged links. Which I seriously doubt many do. They would find a litany of comments and suggestions from other users as well. I understand the desire to condense the information.

But here’s the deal. This fresh approach.

This discarding of the past and starting over. I’ve been around this forum for quite some time now. A lot of members contributing to the Camtasia 9 dark theme thread. Were regular contributors to the forum. Whether it was the dark UI that was never dealt with? Or what exactly happened? A lot of members contributing to that discussion. Quit contributing during the course of the UI discussions. Never to contribute again. Not just to the UI discussion, but up and disappeared from forum discussions altogether. They were very active in other matters, and just dropped off the map.

Members take the time to respond and post their ideas. This requires time out of their day, careful thought on their behalf. To reduce them to a snapshot in time. Then discard them and start anew. Is wrong on many levels.

You must burn people out with your incessant questions about what they want. You’ve been told what they want over and over again. How do you expect people not to be tired of telling you what they want over and over again. Exactly how many ways are there to describe what I might want in a audio meter?

That’s what I find so incredibly frustrating. You don’t have to make the process so complicated, especially when the request is so incredibly basic. I doubt you could find any video editor on the market. In a price bracket as high as Camtasia. That doesn’t have an audio meter.

Asking for clarification on the same feature requests over and over again. Reads more like cover for having done nothing year after year. And yet another reason to do nothing for months and years down the road. As if there just isn’t enough information to make an informed decision at this time. We must gather more information. It’s just an Audio Meter for crying out loud! How much information can you possibly need?

You managed to add Auto Volume Leveling, Behaviors, Device Frames and a New Library without consulting us? Yet, when it comes to an audio meter. You need years of feedback and research through us?

I’m sorry if this sounds contentious. But I don’t know any other way to approach it. There’s always a reason not to add an audio meter at this time. Never a reason to just move forward and add one.

It would be much simpler to say. We really have no intention of adding one now or anytime in the near future. Maybe a couple of years from now?A response like that would seem more sincere.

Regards, Joe

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Joe - You have to stay on top of events as they occur. If you took the time to keep a tally, you would have counted 21,638 votes FOR and 13,421 followers regarding the audio meters.
Unfortunately, most of the old posts have gone the way of the dodo and even Tech Smith techs can no longer verify my counts. So I guess everyone will just have to believe in my acumen for producing a fair count that grows daily.
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Here's to fresh starts and new beginnings. I'm still new to using this tool and engaging with folks on the forums. Forgive my missteps. I hope we can have better and more positive interactions in the future. I don't want to have a discussion about the past, or what's happened in the forums over the years. I sincerely apologize. I'm frustrated that you are frustrated. I don't want threads like this because they just aren't useful.

I had indicated in the last audio giant audio thread that I was going to start breaking individual items out for voting and feedback. That wasn't an attempt to undermine your past feedback / votes. The giant audio thread didn't at all make clear what priorities the current community had and had become fairly acrimonious. I get you are frustrated, and that really bums me out. Still, I am continuing to look for useful information and engagement.

Specifically, I am hoping for more details. Details about your workflows and how you use things and why certain elements are important to you. As I mentioned in a previous post, I would also like to know your favorite implementations in other tools and what draws you to them. I am also hoping to get a clearer picture of where the current community is at in terms of needs / preferences. That would be super useful and informative.

Part of the problem is how poor this particular tool is at finding and filtering and part of it is on us for not being more diligent at weeding the garden of feedback over the years. There are currently 22,205 different posts here and it's incredibly difficult to consolidate and wrap my head around it all.  I believe we should be aggressively merging feature requests, so that we can more easily assess community forum requests. I wish merging brought along the comments and allowed us to choose the most constructive, but it doesn't.

I want to be clear, I'm not trying to trick you into re-voting for everything. We are actually likely to pick up work on editor metering on the Mac in the next month or two and I was hoping to be inclusive and solicit feedback here. Instead, I made some of you angry. Not my intention all. It looks like I'm doing more harm than good by engaging with you in this manner. That gives me pause--I will need to re-think how I want to interact with these forums and solicit feedback. 

If any of you would like to give me direct feedback about audio metering, or any other concern / feature request you are welcome to contact me via email b[dot]andrus[at]techsmith[dot]com. I look forward to hearing from you.

Best,

Brooks
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Narrenbeschwörung by Thomas Murner, 1512

Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.


A drawing/essay that’s actually denouncing slavery. But a timeless phrase just the same.

Kinda like discarding past members input, suggestions and ideas. “Fresh Start”

 

I think you may be confusing Context with Criticism. I just put it all out there. And no, it’s not a rosy picture. I know you’re new to TechSmith. The topic of adding an audio meter is old as dirt. You should be open to looking backward for context at the same time.

 That was my intent. I even wrote.....I’m sorry if this sounds contentious. But I don’t know any other way to approach it.

That being said, further opinions and ideas should be posted here. Not dealt with through e-mails. Where no one else can have a voice or opinion.

That being said.  

I record unscripted narration as I record the screen. Making tutorials using software. You don’t need scripts when you’re describing what you’re doing. Just run the software and speak.

The first thing I do is export my audio from Camtasia. Process it through Adobe Audition.

 I don’t adjust my output levels to -18 LUFS. Which is a Broadcast Standard. Why you chose a “Broadcast Standard” for Auto-Normalize Volume.  Never quite added up to me.

 Unless you got the technology on the cheap. I don’t envision Camtasia users broadcasting their videos over the airwaves.

I process my audio first. So I can hear if anything sounds off during the editing process. It makes more sense than processing it last.

 I tend to catch audio anomaly errors while analyzing my media, playing back in the canvas area. Every second of video is scrutinized a few times during the editing process. To sit through the audio process later, and catch minor errors to boot. Simply doesn’t work very well for me.    

Anyway, after processing my audio through Audition. Then replacing the audio in Camtasia.

Sometimes I mumble a few words, or flat out botch a couple of sentences.

If I use Camtasia’s Narration to replace those words or sentences, the volume is not the same. I don’t mind replacing a few words or sentences here or there. Provided the volume is the same. The duration of the audio can be critical at times. So simply using Audition isn’t practical, as importing may find a new clip that’s say 4 seconds to long.

With Camtasia’s narration I can see it on the timeline right away, delete the audio and record again. Which is faster.    

My hearing can’t match audio levels like a meter can. So I want a meter to set level the level.

 My audio is processed differently. It’s not set to Broadcast Standards. My loudness varies from the -18 LUTS standard.

I use “Perceived Loudness”. Which is based on “Actual Human Hearing”. We can hear mid range sounds better than the Highs and Lows. Perceived loudness is adjusted based on our hearing discrepancies.

LUTS varies by up to several points from -18LUFS using this technique. Depending on the clip in question.When processing multiple clips. Target volume is also a factor.

This tailors the listening experience for human ear range, which should be my or anyone else’s target audience. At least that’s my way of looking at it. I willing to be corrected and change my ways. If this technique has become outdated.



So that was one reason. Here’s another.  

There’s times I add background music. You can’t get consistent background levels without a meter. Every song is different. Another reason a meter is required.

Please don’t take my comments as negative. If they can’t be expressed. What’s the point in having a forum at all?

Regards, Joe


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Go, Joe! Go, Joe!
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My ultimate dream audio meter would work just like this: 
https://www.waves.com/plugins/vu-meter#introducing-vu-meter-plugin

The typical peak level meter that showed clipping in red would be a good start. See that same video at 0:11 for an example. If we just had that red blinky clipping indicator it would be better than nothing.
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A master meter for Camtasia would be a great addition. Although I really like the program for its simplicity, I've always felt blind when it comes to audio (I'm a musician doing largely music tutorials). My workaround is to export audio tracks separately, process/analyse them, then re-import a final stereo mix just so I can be confident the audio is correct and at its best.

The problems a simple master meter would solve are:
  • Digital clipping (determining where it happens and avoiding)
  • Checking LUFS, RMS & true peak on final stereo output (very important for video sharing websites) and determining how hot the final mixed stereo signal is to avoid "audio penalisation" on said sites (generally -14 LUFS is what I aim for in the final mix). "Pinning" the high values would also be useful to gauge this.
  • Showing the stereo balance
  • It would increase my workflow speed significantly so I wouldn't have to export audio tracks for processing (though I might still do this on occassion for sidechaining/EQ work)