Camtasia Recorder: Quick Sharing options

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I create quite different screen recordings. Some of them have a script and are meant to get shared with a broader audience. These require features available in Camtasia Studio. The mayority of my recordings however, are quick comments for coworkers or little manuals for internal usage. I typically don't edit these at all – and they are often so short, that it turns out faster to re-record the clip when I messed up somewhere. 

I therefore have unchecked "Hide preview window when recording is stopped" to check the recording and to share right away. First off a bug report: From the recorder one can not perform a Save as operation, pressing this button doesn't bring up a File dialog. So one needs to find the already saved temp file and hope that it's an avi, if you want to share directly.

Now, given the bug was fixed it was pretty cool and would not require any GUI if you made .avi and .mp4 conversion available from the Save as dialog. I know that one can set default recording format to .trec and .avi, but actually it was a lot more flexible to keep the default recording format as .trec and and to give users output-choices in Recorder already. Should the user decide not to share directly but to rather edit in Studio the temp file carried all proprietary information. In case the clip is fine as is, one can circumvent irrelevant steps and share the smallest possible file right away.
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These are good suggestions, however there are a lot of concerns when it comes to the fundamental difference between your two use cases.
For recordings you'll edit, there is a lot of information to record in addition to the screen and the priority is on quality. This is Camtasia's best use.

For your quick and sharable recordings, speed is more important. That is, you want to be able to share right away, and AVIs with proprietary codecs don't allow for that! For this, we have Snagit, which lets you record directly to a shareable MP4, and either save or upload it in a click. It also has simple cuts/trims for video.
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Hi Paul,
thanks for your reply :o).  I understand that you store proprietary stuff in .trec files. That's why I would like to always record using the most complete file format. What I suggest is giving users flexible means to go on with these recordings. When editing is required or desired, use Studio, when direct sharing is fine, convert the file to mp4 right from the Recorder and discard irrelvant bits and pieces from the file.

As a customer of your most complete video editing program  I don't want to use a secondary program, just for for direct sharing.  I would not even use it if it came for free. Also having to decide in advance what purpose the clip will serve is a totally needless workflow restriction. It makes no sense, in no context.

Have you seen the bug report I included in my first post (Save as Dialog not opening)?
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Thanks for the follow up. 
In the mean time, hopefully it's reasonably quick to let Camtasia open Editor with the new recording already on the timeline (default) and just click "share". That will have the same effect as a save dialog that does the mp4 conversion.

I'll find out if the save-as issue is known or something specific to your machine.
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In the mean time, hopefully it's reasonably quick to let Camtasia open Editor with the new recording already on the timeline
I would not have posted, if this was good enough. Please understand that I never use the default recording option, which opens all takes in Studio. I don't even use it when recording to elaborate files which I want to edit with your tools. I always decide take by take, which one I want to keep and which to discard right away. I have a hard time to imagine that this default setting is useful for anyone...

Doing what you suggest would require me to change my default Recorder behaviour inside its settings dialog (of course before I even start recording...) to a setting I can't stand. Not seriously :o)

Another issue with your mp4 converter is, that one has to go through tons of (mostly obsolete) output setting panels, just to save a silly .mp4. Besides setting a name and a path we only need exacly one more parameter: Output size. It also from within Studio was extremely helpful to have presets, so that one only has to enter the file name.
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I've verified that the Windows Camtasia team knows about the file save issue, so it's not just you!
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Thanks! Just tell the team do the proper fix, while at it :o)
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have you tried this approach?

How To Use Camtasia Recorder To Make A Quick Video Capture And Immediately Share It 2019-09-17
https://www.screencast.com/t/2h1BjN7aMAq

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Thank you kayakman,
I always want to decide which take to keep and which to discard, so auto-producing would not work for me. I likely could cancel out somewhere in the process – but honestly I don't want to go through four or five panels just to convert a pre-existing file to a different format (such isn't even required in way deeper video editors, such as Premiere or After Effects). I also don't want to wait roughly ten seconds until Studio starts when I don't want to use its editing tools.

The actual format conversion is a silent process which needs no GUI, also in Studio. It therefore should be quite easy to add the feature to Recorder – if one so wants.
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Oslogrolls, I understand your reluctance to leave the "most complete video editing program," (Camtasia). I resisted using Snagit for videos for years for the same reason, despite the fact that I used it multiple times per day for still screen shots (.jpg, .png).

About a year ago, I tried using Snagit for quick videos. The time savings and simplicity of the approached convinced me. While I still use Camtasia for anything that will require an edit (90% of my work), Snagit is the perfect solution for no-edit videos. So I respectfully disagree with your statement, "It makes no sense, in no context."
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dave,
Camtasia already does all I need in terms of narrated screen recordings,  it just doesn't expose available features in all places where they make sense. Techsmith due to the setup of their software forces a decision in terms of output-intent, before even publishing. This implementation does not make sense technically. It is rather a nuissance in terms of UX.

For you as an existing Snagit customer it might be less problematic to use two different pieces of software for recording. This workflow still forces an unnecessary commitment in terms of output intent from you, which you are willing to accept.

I don't use Snagit. With Camtasia I often start recording and while listening to the take I decide what to do with it. If there's something missing, I likely want to send the clip to Studio. If it is fine as is, I want to compress and share right away. Good software supports all workflows that make sense.

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So,
.snag is a container format.

trec's contain an avi recording,an audio file thats detached from the video at times, the cursor information is stored separately from the recording. Without it, the cursor is absent from the video. Theres additional useful information as well.

The editor can decipher what to do with all this information.Based upon your input.
Then produce a mp4 to your liking.

I can't envision a convenient toolbar option to deal with all of that. I suppose you could create preset outputs.
I not sure you can create a video without editor intervention/rendering.

You can extract the contents of .snag. Convert the avi with the missing cursor, possibly an audio track.This also requires working from within the editor.

I understand the desire to do so, I'm not so sure its possible without the editor?

I like the idea if its simple to incorporate. I might even use it myself. SnagIt's timeline is user unfriendly.If you could zoom into it, it would be much better.

Regards,Joe

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Joe, exporting from the recorder was exactly the same process that takes place in Studio. Choosing .mp4 from the Save as dialog would call the routines that are available in  the Camtasia package anyway. What I'm describing is a forgotten Light-Switch, which would be pretty handy to have.
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I’m sure a menu could be added to the recorder. Saving you a couple of steps.

The simplest approach? Render using a default setting to mp4. No options.

 

If you could create presets as I eluded to above, that would be ideal. “Overkill?” In my opinion, Yes.

If you want to customize settings. That process should probably be allocated to the editor. That’s what I was attempting to convey when I wrote.......  I can't envision a convenient toolbar option to deal with all of that.... followed up with.............. I'm not so sure its possible without the editor? Meaning I don’t support a comprehensive all-inclusive menu system.

 

Both SnagIt and Camtasia capture to a predetermined format.

 

SnagIt records directly to mp4.

Saving the file as its captured.

That’s why you can share it in the blink of an eye. Provided you don’t edit it, slowing things down.

 

.trec records to a container format.

Its captures in avi

The codec is........... TechSmith Screen Codec 2

If you don’t have the TS codec installed on your computer. You cannot view it. So sharing directly with others is problematic. Plus, elements like the cursor will be non-existent.

I can view a .trec in most of my media players. They don’t contain everything recorded.

 

Converting the recording to mp4 requires rendering. A slow process at best.

 

Some screen recorders allow you to choose more than one format. You must make that determination before recording as well.

 

I voted for the idea.

I’m skeptical that many would use it.  

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 The simplest approach? Render using a default setting to mp4. No options.
 I would find a pre-determined feature-reduced approach too unflexible. I shoot photos as RAW files, although they might well end up as a compressed jpg and get watched on tiny Smartphones. But I can also create large printouts from the same source, if I so wish.
I voted for the idea
Thanks!
I’m skeptical that many would use it.  
You never know. But I'm convinced, that fulfilling my wish wouldn't cause a lot of work either.




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oslogrolls

there's a lot of good advice in this thread

however, considering your initial post, you might want to reconsider using Recorder's default "auto" setting for what to do after capture, along with certain Recorder file handling settings; that might be your best approach for working with the current application, and should enable you to achieve most of what your're looking for?

How To Configure Camtasia Recorder For Optimum Flexibility 2019-12-14
https://www.screencast.com/t/rfXxiw3yPJ

with this approach, you do not have to preview every take, especially those you want to immediately discard it; and the save dialog will always give you control over file naming; also, you can optionally edit as desired, or just go directly to production; production presets can further increase flexibility

once you get used to it, this workflow goes very quickly

only downside ... not useful for screencasting Camtasia itself; and Recorder will auto-exit after every take

but ... perhaps something to consider?
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Thank you very much for your effort to even record a clip for me, kayakman :o)
 I am very clear about my workflow preferences. It's not that I have to check every clip – I want to do so and consider most time-efficient to work exactly this way. I only keep the takes I have checked and prefer to load them manually into Camtasia, in case I create a video from multiple takes. People usually do in Studio afterwards, what I have done before: Get rid of the parts which don't work well. For complex recordings I have Studio open on another montitor  and can listen to both the fresh take and the already approved clips. That way I have great control about tonality and mood.

I have understood that your workflow allows me to discard takes that don't work. But I can't listen to them first (at least in parts).  Not a good option then.

As stated, for simple takes I do not want to use Studio, but I don't want to use Snagit either. What would help me most, is exactly what I asked for: Compressing to mp4, right from the Recorder (just the mp4, no player, skins and such ). 

Just to give you a perspective, how much I dislike the default "hide preview window" option: I used Camtasia 6 until last year, even for commercial projects and was basically fine with it. When I upgraded to the 2018 version I ran into this Clip-Autoloading to Studio for the first time and wrote a Support ticket right away. Luckily one made me aware of the checkbox, which turns off auto-loading, otherwise I would have asked for a refund and would have gone back to version 6.

We all work differently and have different needs. There no such thing as an optimal workflow for all circumstances. Thanks again and have a nice weekend!
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Let's all not spend more time on this issue and possible workarounds. Staff will either consider this feedback interesting or irrelevant and they'll take a decision. But I doubt it would take a Coder longer to add the feature*, than us discussing the matter :o)

*a feature that doesn't interfere with anything else, just sayin...
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