Camtasia 8.0 Wants to Create a New Track for *every* Clip I Add?

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The previous workflow was adding the clips end to end as they were shot then saved. Version 8 wants to stack each of the clips onto a new track? This makes no sense to me, is there a way to revert to adding the video clips to ONE track?

version 8: Clip 4
Clip 3
Clip 2
Clip 1

Preferred: Clip 1 / Clip 2 / Clip 3 / Clip 4

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Yes. You can select multiple clips in the clip bin, then right-click > add to timeline will put all clips on the same track.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks Dave, not quite. The routine is to shoot, save/edit clip then repeat, then repeat. It makes no sense to stack them each time. There should be some logic to add them to a single track IMHO.
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You can always drag them from the clip bin to where you want them.
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Thanks, I have been using this program since 2003.

My point is the workflow:
1) shoot
2) save/edit
3) instead of landing end to end on same track, they stack up on separate tracks!

I don't see that stacking would be useful.
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Hi Timbre.

I am thinking it is stacking them because of where you have the playhead. Adding clips from the Clip Bin will insert them at the playhead position. If there is video on a track at the playhead, Camtasia will put the newly added clip on track that has nothing.

If you are successively dropping clips to build a video track, after each one, grab the playhead and snap it to the end of the clip you just added. Then add the next clip from the Clip Bin. This should drop it on the same track as the previous one.

If this doesn't work for you, please let us know.
Josh Holnagel
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Absolutely does not work. Was my first guess. Tried it tens of times, with no improvement.
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I meant that ensuring that the play head was at the end of the last clip doesnt help to make the one get appended to the same track at the end of the current clip.
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IDK... it worked for me
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If I read this right, Timbre is not pulling clips from the bin, rather having an issue with how clips stack up on separate tracks in his workflow.

Meaning, after recording, then clicking Save and Edit (which opens the clip in Camtasia Studio), then repeating - the clips do indeed stack up on separate tracks.
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Mike,

Now I get it. Thanks for clearing that up. When Timbre used the term "shoot", I incorrectly assumed he was actually shooting video with a camera (as opposed to capturing his screen) and then bringing those clips in.

And then I tested what Timbre is trying to do and it does indeed work as he says. I even tried putting the playhead at the end of the clip before recording a second one and choosing "Save and Edit" and it still stacked them.

The only workaround I have on this for now is to capture all the clips before doing any editing. After each one, instead of choosing "Save and Edit", you could click the drop-down arrow and choose "Save As...". This will not put the video on the timeline. Unfortunately, it does not automatically put it into the Clip Bin either - but you could import them all at once after recording the lot.

Not sure if this might work better for you. Thanks for providing the feedback.
-Josh
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Josh,
Good theory but not the case. In fact the behavior was different between camrec and AVI.

Camrec: Record screen, Save/edit puts clip 1 on a track. Record screen again, Save/edit but it adds the second clip ONLY to the clip bin not the timeline.

AVI: As I described above (no matter playhead position)

Mike,
Correct, they stack up like parallel cordword; can't see how that would ever be useful.
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For reference, here is the workflow I use:
1. Write, record, edit audio with quality mic/preamp using SoundForge.
2. Play the audio with 8 sec delay while recording screens
3. Save clip to timeline for editing/timing
4. Add the audio clip to the timeline
5. Save finalized version as sub-clip (20-60 seconds) towards project (5-30 min)

I could probably save 60-75% of this production time if Camtasia would work the way I've requested over the years:

1. Prep audio as above
2. Load the audio onto a Camtasia track
3. Play the audio clip in Camtasia WHILE recording the screen (overdubbing)
4. Save it and move on

FYI - Lotus ScreenCam allowed this in 1998; made updating videos for new product versions very simple.
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Timbre:

I pre-record my tutorial audio as well. I then play it in Widows Media Player while I record myself (video only) doing what the audio track is describing. I then edit and sync both in Studio, because often my audio timing needs extra work.

If the timing was perfect, though, it is possible for the Camtasia Recorder to capture the system audio of the track as well - overdubbing in a sense.

We always love to learn about customer workflows, so thanks so much for being so specific!

-Josh
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Interesting idea, thank you. Relatedly I am concerned about degradation of audio in CS 8.0 right now. I have rechcecked the 44.1K WAV originals used and there are the usual strong levels but nowhere near clipping. Justr re-rerendered with CS8 Audio - Volumn Down 1 click on each segment. harshness is still there.

Signal chain analogy: mic>preamp>compressor>effect1>effect2>etc.

Some stage in CS 8.0 is almost overdriven to make clean audio harsh and I have got to figure out quick (deadline) what is causing this! I know it would be clean in CS 7.1 but now I have a CS 8 project. Perhaps I'll render AVI in 8 and open in 7.1 to get this project posted up today as promised.

Oh the things you will learn! ~ Dr Seuess
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Josh - Just an additional thought.

If you could lay the audio on a track INSIDE CS, then play it, while recording screens, all that time wasted on rolling the audio outside and then hoping CS starts recording in time and then the re-syncing it later would be saved.

That would be a breakthrough!
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Well, just so we are clear, you CAN:
1. Lay audio on the timeline
2. Start recording your screen
3. Press play in the preview
4. Minimize Studio
5. Capture whatever screen action your audio is narrating.

You would have to trim the first few seconds of the video (the part where you pressed play and minimized Studio), but the rest should, theoretically, be good to go.

Now what I think you are saying is that you would like a feature that allows you to select a piece of audio on the timeline and record screen action specifically to be somehow linked with that audio. That would be pretty cool, I must say.
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You're *almost* there. ;)

This is the first version I can recall that ever allowed the placement of audio first WITHOUT any video! Must be the equality of the new TRACK timeline.

The absolute 'killer' app' feature would be a single click that launched the following sequence for that audio:

1. Use that position (and duration of audio clip) to record video
2. Open screen recorder dialog (screen, custom, preset sizes)
3. Minimize CS screen
4. Start recording countdown (or skip countdown step, if possible)
5. Start the audio playing AND screen recording IN SYNC

The added beauty of this is that when the screen changes 6-12 months from now, but the narration is still valid, you overdub a new video track and you're done.
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I perform a screen capture. I stop and edit. I want to add another clip, so I start recording again. When I'm done, I select Save and Edit. In Camtasia 7, the new clip happily went into the timeline at the end of the previous clip.

In 8.0, the clip went into Track 2 (I'm recording in Track 1, period), at some random position. I have to drag the new clip to the end, and move it into Track 1.

In 8.0.2, the new clip goes in Track 2, but at THE BEGINNING of Track 2. So I have to scroll back all the way, drag it all the way to the end, and place it in Track 1.

This is now making me crazy. It's even worse in 8.0.2 than it was in 8.0.

What the heck? This used to work exactly the way I wanted it to work in 7.0. I can't believe I'm the only person on earth who wants/expects this behavior. Am I missing something? -- Ken

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Where should new recorded clips go in the timeline? Certainly not where they're going in 8.0.2!.
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You're not the only one, our threads about this have been merged. There is no other logical place for newly recorded clips to go than end-to-end.

The only way to avoid this is to close the CS editing screen after every save and then import them all later, Hardly ideal either.

I recommend that the placement of successive clips be after the previous clip on the SAME track please.
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My solution: go back to 7.

It's insane to stack all the tracks vertically, one on top of the other. Who would possibly work that way? Would you EVER produce a video that way? With 5 tracks on top of each other?

I've been running the trial version of 8. Now that I tried it I'm certainly not going to buy it.

Oh, I've been a user since v2.
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I've been around that long myself. I suspect they'll fix this behavior, it's a small factor.

The feature set that CS 8.0 offers is honestly worth a nit here and there.
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Me too, several versions, many years. But it just seems that they messed up the very, very small subset of features that I use every day in this version. The track issue. The weird problem that the screen capture won't grab the interior window in a Remote Desktop session like it used to, and I capture 100% from remote desktop, so now have to painstakingly set up the dimensions and location of the capture rectangle. Oh, and this worked perfectly in 7 and it works in 8 on any monitor except the main monitor. Ugh.
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I joined the community to see whether I could find an answer to this issue as well.

What is more irritating is that each screen or PowerPoint recording (and I make many in the course of a single presentation) creates not one but TWO new tracks; one for video and one for audio. Frankly I would never need these to be separated in practice though I can understand Timbre4's workflow where such a thing can be useful. (Although an audio overlay track (or whatever it was called in 7) could be used to the same effect.) For my own purposes the audio and video need to remain in lock step to avoid the "badly dubbed Spaghetti Western" syndrome and I'd be perfectly happy to have an option for them to come in grouped, but they don't. Instead I have to drag BOTH of them down from track 120 and 121 (OK, slight hyperbole but not by much) and back to Track 1 after each recording.

This is going to be a HUGE time-waster. TechSmith would still be by far my favourite software company and Camtasia is still one of my favourite tools, but I have to admit that I think they dropped the ball badly on this one. We really do need an option where each recording goes on the first unlocked track, right at the end of the previous one. This is my first night using 8.0.2 (after a slight panic when 8.0 wouldn't upgrade my 7 files... that was a clanger as well) but I feel like I've spent more time dragging tracks than I have in producing content. Vertically stacked tracks literally a couple of dozen layers deep are just impossible to work with.
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I just recorded my first video after upgrading to v8 and was very frustrated by this issue. I figured I just needed to change some setting or do something different with the playhead, but I am kind of stunned to discover that it just doesn't work. I hope that this issue is fixed soon.
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Camtasia 8.02 is really wasting my time. Adding titles is a continuing pain and the workarounds just plain frustrating.

It would also be great if title clips could be automatically added to the Clip bin

Do you have a timeline to get the stacking issues resolved and also the messed up noise reduction.

I feel I have to add my voice to those who also need these issues addressed as soon as possible.
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Timbre-

I googled this issue because i'm having the same issue today. I created two screenrecordings (audio and visual) from the 'record the screen' function. I've done this in the past for long recordings becuase Camtasia 7 would allow the audio to get out of sync from the video the longer the recording was, so i always recorded in no more than 30 minute clips. Which is actually why i downloaded the trial version of 8, that problem was supposed to go away, which appears to be accurate. This presents a problem in Cam 8 because as you note, it is not anywhere near as easy to connect two or more clips together as it was in 7. The work around i've found, which is still a poor one, is if possible, add the sequential first clip to the timeline first, then you can add the second clip (delete all the extra stuff like the computer noise track and markers that they auto populate), then you should be able to drag the second clip behind the first one. If you are like me and took notes and made edits along the way, and therefore need to go from last clip to the first, it is messier - drag the clip(s) backward along the timeline (the length of the first clip), and then you should be able to insert the first clip in front. The one thing it doesn't do, which appears to be the main problem is backup anything to 'fit' clips in, it will only put something where there is room, so you have to make room for it. I would strongly recommend not doing any editing (cutting sections, audio changes, overwriting audio, etc) until the clips are all in place - i just spent a very happy 3 hours learning that lesson. Hope that helps somewhat, i'm frustrated by it too.
-Jenna
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Back to 7 for me until they fix this and put back title clips (or something just a quick).
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I don't use Title Clips so I'm not feeling that. The clip stacking is a drag but still a small penalty for the cool stuff in CS 8.0.

I've already had people remark how they liked the drawn red boxing callout (new and precise, that the older cheesy style). Got that just in time with CS 8.0.

Putting multiple track items into groups is also a tremendous help, since I have to move things around for different edits or channel branding.

I do have a continued Snag It nit that I shall go post now.
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Did this issue ever get resolved? I'm using Camtasia 8.0.3 and am having the same problem: Camtasia automatically creates a new track on the timeline after EVERY time I capture and click "Save and Edit." This is a huge time-waster. Techs--Please take this into consideration for future Camtasia fixes and upgrades, and make the process streamlined. There is no need for a new track to be created after every single screen capture.

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