Camtasia Studio should offer an option to cancel a Voice Narration recording

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It currently is quite annoying to redo a voice narration because there is no option to cancel the current recording.

After stopping the recording, Camtasia Studio always asks to save the file. And if you cancel that operation you have to confirm the cancellation, too.

I suggest to add a [Cancel Recording] button and to have the [ESC] key cancel the recording, too.

Plus: The [RETURN] key should be enabled to confirm a recording.
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Axel I would put in for a suggestion to have TechSmith make this a Feature Request. That way poeple who agree with it can +1 this if they would also like to have this feature. I hope this helps and I would agree that would be a nice feature to have. Thanks for posting your suggestion and have a great day!
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when you stop a voice narration and get the save file browser, use the Esc key; then you get a dialog to confirm the delete
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@ Fred:

Sure, please go ahead. Thank you!

@ Kajak Man:

Right, that's exactly what I've written in my original post. That's what's so annoying. You have to fiddle around over and over, in a situation where you want to concentrate on anything else but this.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Stop and Discard Voice Narration.


Make discarding a voice over easier!

Years ago, you added a "Delete" button to Camtasia Recorder. It does two things: stops, and discards.  Great functionality.

We need the same on Voice Narration. Why? Many of us do multiple "takes" when narrating. We record and re-record (etc.) segments of the voice narration until we get it right. We need a way to quickly discard and re-record a segment without having to confirm the deletion each time.

It was a good feature for the recorder. We need it on the Narration screen now.

I've been asking for this through many channels for years.  Why on Earth wouldn't you implement this?
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Ideally, the button could go one step further and immediately restart recording from the previous start point. Then, We could simply record, re-record, etc. repeatedly a single segment until we got it right -- with just a single click rather than having to click once to stop/discard and again to start recording again.
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have you tried using [free] Audacity?

you can start/stop all you want, and delete whatever parts of the narration you want

the edited, exported WAV can be imported into CS

if I have to do a lot of complex voice-overs, I find that Audacity is much faster than using the CS Voice Narration function
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kayakman:  It's hard for me to picture how Audacity would work in this context, since it is completely unintegrated with Camtasia.  What we're talking about is doing a voice over that is synchronized with a Camtasia video.

Using any third party program means having to repeatedly synchronize the video playback head with the audio you're recording.  

Can you describe the work flow that would make using Audacity easier?  Sure, if the voiceover is just an introduction on a static screen, any audio editor can work well. But if you're narrating a moving video, it appears to me that using Audacity is more difficult.

What am I missing?
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with Camtasia and project open, with playhead at start on voice-over section ..., and with Audacity open ...

make a timeline selection over the span of the desired voice-over [best to work in short sections]

play the selection to determine cadence and timing; having the section captioned helps

back in Audacity [its window is small and fits over the CS editor] ...

start to record and narrate
stop recording
export the recording as a wav [in audacity, alt-F,e]
back in CS, use ctl-I to import the new wav; put it on timeline at playhead [which is still the start on voice-over section]

this is actually a very fast and easy workflow

in this example [1 of 51 videos in a collection], all the narration was accomplished using Audacity as described above ...

http://cookbookplus.com/temp/Testing/Alaska1994/9.html
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I can't imagine it being efficient.  Your "play the selection to determine cadence and timing" is the give-away line.  The whole idea is to record long segments and be able to sync the audio with the video. I have no doubt your approach works for your needs. But it doesn't really work for my application. Thanks for sharing it though.
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another option for doing voice narrations is to use Camtasia Recorder to do your voice narrations; you can pause/resume, cancel, and Recorder is integrated into the editor, so its VN captures can go onto timeline at playhead position.

if interested, see this tutorial ...

http://cookbookplus.com/Temp/TechSmith/HowTo/UseRecorderForVoiceNarration/UseRecorderForVoiceNarrati...
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Nice. But I can't see the Camtasia Studio timeline move in your tutorial movie while recording. It's hard to narrate to an existing arrangment this way.

And, still, cancelling a recording is just more cumbersome compared to the suggested functionality of this thread as Camtasia Studio wouldn't automatically rewind when cancelling the narration recording when using the workaround you suggested.
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if you want to watch the timeline play while you voice narrate w/Recorder, just start the timeline playing with playhead a little before where you want the VN to be inserted [marked off by a marker]; then, with Recorder capturing, and timeline playing while you watch, use Recorder's marker shortcut to place a marker in the capture when playhead reaches the "start" marker then start you narration, etc

generally, I do all my VNs across multiple short segments so that timing [narration to video] does not become an issue
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PLEEEEEEASE !!! Add a Cancel option to Voice Recording.

I'm getting nuts here from this immense clicking and mouse searching overhead!!

It cannot be too complicated to add a Cancel button to the GUI and act appropriately.

Gee ...




You can't even use keyboard shortcuts to record voice snippets, because whenever you record and cancel a recording (<ALT>+<R>, <ALT>+<R>, <ESC>, <RETURN>) you can't record again, because the recording button can not be reached by pressing <ALT>+<R> again).

Really, be honest, did ANYBODY at TechSmith EVER try to perform voice recordings using Camtasia Studio ?!?

I can't believe anybody in QA ever validated this feature without afterwards running with scissors into the development room. I would.
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Yes. YES!  Please, TechSmith!  I've been asking your for this feature for years. It would increase my productivity enormously.  In fact, give us two buttons: one for cancel, and another fore discarding the current recording and re-starting. This would make voice-over recording sessions THREE or FOUR times faster!
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Absolutely yes. That'd actually been the point behind my "Cancel recording" button: No confirmation dialog - just stop and discard.

Having a new recording start right away would be a very welcome additional option.
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Thanks, Axel. I suspect that the TechSmith Camtasia team has lost sight of the fact that not all their users are reading from a prepared script and doing it in one "take."  
I've never been able to get scripts to work without a lot of work editting the script to fit the timing of the screen recording. My work-flow is to use the Camtasia Recorder to record voice and video, but then usually just delete the audio and immediately (before I forget what I did and wanted to say) do a voice over.

Ad-libbing like this can require a lot of retakes.  And, Camtasia makes it painful for a guy like me who makes so many audio mistakes.  

So come on, Techsmith, give us our button! :-)  A "Discard and re-record"  (with no confirmation) button would save your users a lot time and frustration! (If you're concerned about the lack of confirmation, make that aspect a configurable option...)
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The validity of the suggestions in this thread not withstanding, I suggest again that one of the best ways to address the current situation is to use Audacity to do voice narrations whenever the built-in CS function is not sufficient for you needs

I have done so myself hundreds of times with excellent results, and essentially by using the same workflow as when using the built-in CS tool, while allowing me to capitalize on Audacity's greater flexibility [ability to pause/continue, erase mistakes, append, etc].

Accordingly, I took some time today to make this rough tutorial on one way to do voice narrations with Audacity, while working in the CS Editor, and while using the timeline tools.   The process is really quite simple and intuitive, and, with a little practice, it goes very fast.  Perhaps you might want to give this approach a try ...

http://cookbookplus.com/Temp/TechSmith/HowTo/HowToUseAudacityForVoiceNarration/HowToUseAudacityForVo... 
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Thanks, Kajakman,

sure, this is some feasible way to do a recording. However, to me anything in your video beyond 00:02:00 seems overhead that'd be unnecessary if a recording was done from within Camtasia Studio.

Particularly for me, speaking a foreign tongue. To me, who's someone who needs to perform voice recordings as a series of many short recordings containing small pieces of text, this would be inacceptable.

Even now it appears to be unnecessary overhead to me to have Voice Recording and Audio Settings in two different panels. The back an forth clicking between these two is driving me nuts. Same for Visual Properties and Zoom-n-Pan. Two areas worth for optimizing Camtasia Studio's GUI.
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OMG, Kayakman.  I can't believe you're doing your audio the way you are.  I'm glad it's working for you but almost everything you're doing can be done in the integrated editor in Camtasia.  I suspect you (like me) got started back in the days when audio editing/recording in Camtasia was in a separate app where you made you changes and imported the .WAV file back into the timeline.  

Seriously, dude,  I'm not criticizing you, but I really encourage you to look at the more recent audio editing enhancements on the timeline.  You're doing far too for more cutting and pasting and window switching than is necessary.

Thanks for making your video. I appreciate it.  I think all of use would benefit greatly from seeing more videos that show the workflow of our peers.

Tom
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Tom, perhaps a small misunderstanding here ...

I do the vast majority of my post capture voice narrations using the built-in CS Voice Narration tab functions; but, I have also used audacity, as described, on many occasions

personally, I try very hard to do my screen captures correctly the first time, including the integrated Recorder narrations; I usually meet this goal by making short, segmented captures using Recorder pause/un-pause to minimize the need to make audio edits after-the-fact

but sometimes, voice narration is necessary to address a [rare] glitch, or, patch in new material.

again, the built-in CS tool is my primary choice for voice narration needs, but Audacity has definitely come in handy in certain situations.
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Oh!, Kayakman!  Than makes more sense!  Glad to hear it.

I've generally found that my ability to narrate and mouse at the same time is limited.  I tend not to give the narration energy and attention it needs.  Glad to hear you're able to avoid re-dubbing.  

Tom
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For What It's Worth ...

for me, executing screencaptures while achieving clean, usable narration, requires a certain protocol; set Recorder to start paused, make very short segment captures, pausing after a short time, during the pause, contemplate the next section, un-pause Recorder, continue, etc. ...;

I keep all such captures relatively short in total duration [few seconds to maybe just a few minutes]; don't preview after capture.  

this approach results in narrations that are virtually free of "ahhs" and "ummms", and greatly minimizes post-capture narration editing

it took time and practice to get comfortable with this approach, but the benefits have been material.

when I first started screencasting using the initial version of Camtasia [before it was called Camtasia Studio], it took me, on average, 1 hour of labor to end up with 1 minute of produced [medium quality] video.   now, it takes only a small fraction of that time to end up with great looking hosted videos;

a lot of labor has been eliminated by getting the initial narration clean and right from the get-go

if curious, my technique ...

http://cookbookplus.com/Temp/TechSmith/HowTo/HowToDoScreenCapturesWhileMinimizingNarrationErrors/HowToDoScreenCapturesWhileMinimizingNarrationErrors_player.html

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