Can I edit Cam 8.6 projects with Cam 9?

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Hi, I have and use Cam 8.6. If i upgrade, I'm assuming (but wanted to make sure!) that I will be able to edit older projects created in Cam 8.6 with Cam 9. Thanks, Mike
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dnashj33

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You can, but to be honest, I would highly, highly, highly...suggest you use the 30 day trial first. Be warned, though, your renders will be watermarked. It's Tech Smith's attempts to compel you to forgo the trial and upgrade now. 

I have had so many issues with Camtasia 9 that I am sorry I ever upgraded because there are still so many workflow killing bugs in this release.  It would be wise to give the app at least another 6months or so before upgrading...giving them more time to clean this application up. I've had all kinds of issues last night and all this morning. I just rendered what I had > imported it into CS8 and it's running as smooth as butter.

In CS8, I didn't have to worry about parts of my clips being mysteriously deleted (there is some kind of selection bug that caused other parts of my footage earlier in the timeline, to get deleted without my knowing) and to compound the problem, Auto-Save if completely borked for me in Camtasia 9. It's just a hot mess and worth avoiding until they get all the bugs and issues sorted out.

What you can do in the mean time is, when you reach a point in CS8 where it starts acting up because of it's 32bit limitation, render what you have > import the newly rendered footage into a new scene. It's a lot less hassle than dealing with the myriad of bugs in Camtasia 9
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I've upgraded and worked with over a thousand archived CS8 projects in CS9; all has been fine; and the watermark thing only affects the 30 day trial; CS9 does have some different workflows, and some of the UI is different from CS8; but it works great for me, and is rock solid, especially on large, very complex projects

like dnashj33 suggested, give the 30 day trial a workout
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I find it hard to believe you've had no issues when the builds subsequent to the initial release have included bugfixes related to many issues I've reported here.....same issues you say didn't exist. Something is not jiving with your claims that everything is working smoothly. Either you make very few edits or you don't use any features like voice narration, speed changes to parts of the clips, etc.

The Properties panel issue was a major problem as was the voice narration not stopping. You said these weren't issues but they are listed on the bugfixes list, from the past 2 builds. It isn't "just my system" and these weren't "just my problems." Why are you pretending everything is peachy keen since the release, knowing there have already been some major bugs squashed. I personally don't appreciate people telling me that my issues with the app are imaginary.

In my tutorials, I trim/edit out everything that's even remotely annoying or undesirable....like "Uhhhh's/Ummm's"...long pauses, slip ups, etc. In a 15-20min recording, that is usually a few dozen edits, if not more. It also includes splitting sections where I speed up the playback to keep the video duration down. I also add callouts for hotkeys and such. This is mentally taxing as it is. I don't need the software making it even more so.
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I worked with CS9 beta builds for over 2 years before the 1st public release [9.0.0]; there were lots of issues with various beta builds, including one where voice narration could not be stopped  [I reported that as a bug long ago]; it was not there [fixed for me] with 9.0.0; I believe the only other public release was 9.0.3 [current build]

I've pretty much done every thing you can with CS9, including clip speed adjustments, voice narrations, captions, quizzes, hotspot callouts, large, heavily edited projects, batch productions, lots of Library work; I mostly work with 1920x1080 media; I could go on and on

I am a very high volume user, just this week averaging 45 projects/day [editing/producing] working on updating a large archive collection

I've made many, very complex, heavily edited projects; one based on video clips runs almost 3 hours [interim build outs consumed over 100 GB of project files]

I'm not pretending that all is peachy; I don't say you don't experience issues, I don't say what you experience is imaginary

but, for me, CS9 does not give me a hard time regardless of whatever I do with it
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You can but there are a few problems that I've seen reported. Some callouts no longer working correctly and things of this nature. As far as I know, major problems are few and far between.

If it were me and I wanted to upgrade to Camtasia 9. I would leave Camtasia 8 installed.Then, if a video I wanted to edit in version 9 had to many issues. I would make my changes in Camtasia 8.

I would also make a copy of my Cam 8 .camproj file prior to opening it in Cam 9. Just to safeguard it against becoming corrupted and unusable when  Camtasia 9 updates a copy. The updated Cam 9 .camproj file is saved as a different and separate file but things can go wrong.Safe is better.

Regards,Joe
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Joe, you mentioned Camtasia corrupting all of the files involved. I saw that Kayakman stated that just upgrading a project automatically creates a backup for you. So what I'm wondering is if the upgrade process also corrupted the backup it automatically should have made?
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Yes Rick,
it corrupted the original .camproj and I lost all of my work as a result.

The original .camproj and the new .camproj were both totally useless.

Anytime you access "Any File" on a computer. Corruption can be induced. Camtasia needs to access the original files information in order to upgrade it.

A file is nothing more than X's and O's stored magnetically on a hard drive. One tiny glitch changes everything.
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LOL, thanks for the remedial basic hard drive lesson. ;)

When I saw Kayakman state that Camtasia made a backup, my thought was that perhaps a totally separate copy of the original file was made, then the upgrade was performed.

I see now that what he was referring to was apparently the fact that Camtasia apparently simply "leaves behind" the original Camproj file and creates the new version 9 file. And the original file serves as the backup. Is that right Kayakman?

Cheers all... Rick :)
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that is what [it appears] happens  [just did a CS8 upgrade to reverify]

the original CS8 project file is left alone, a new project file [tscproj] is created, then the upgrade occurs [the xml formatting is changed substantially]

with CS8, when doing an upgrade from CS7 to CS8, the original project file picked up "backup} in its name, then the same thing happened

during the past year, I've upgraded over 1,000 CS8 projects [both camproj and tscproj] to CS9; all went OK

the only upgrade failures I've experienced were due to trying to upgrade early CS9 projects [during early beta testing] to a later CS9 build; but all my native CS8 projects have upgraded OK
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For the most part. It's a rarity when a file becomes corrupted or lost. The project I lost had a lot of hours invested in it.It was a loss that hurt, and that loss was unnecessary.

I use Premiere Pro extensively. The "Auto-Saves" reside in a folder right next to the original PRPROJ files. I like to auto save every 10 min.
 PP creates and saves the past 20 auto saves. It replaces the old ones along the way so you don't have any that are to old to be of much use.
These PRPROJ  files are also sent to the creative cloud. Adobe understands back up quite well.

I would like to see Camtasia develop a system that's  more fool proof as well. I know there's auto save files in the temporary folder, that's not the same thing at all.
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Your welcome Rick lol,
 the fact that you had to ask me that question was an indication you had no idea how my files become corrupted through the upgrade process? Or were you just in the mood to challenge what I said?

 I'm well aware of what happens when you upgrade a .camproj. I didn't bother mentioning that a new file is created  and that is what is used for upgrading. I should probably have said "Both files" instead of all files.

Kayakman seemed to understood what I was saying.
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Getting back to Mike's original question, I have upgraded to Cam9, and when you upgrade it doesn't remove or alter your installation of Cam 8 (I still have Cam 7 installed as well).  If you have a problem with a Cam8 project in Cam9 ... just open it in Cam 8.
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An unrelated thread (https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/camtasia-9-still-buggy-and-slower-than-cs8 ) may actually be related to this thread.


Yes, any file can become corrupted but rarely does an application corrupt a file opened in read-only mode.

A summary of the other thread.  Choppiness or stuttering in a video being edited.  This can be 'corrected' by saving the project, closing Camtasia, and reopening the project.

A summary of this thread.  While converting a project from CS8 into C9 files become corrupted.

Relationship.  If project files are updated while editing but reorganized only when the project is closed that might account for both issues.  In this situation it could be a programming error where elements from each project are being stored in the wrong object or variable.  Easy way to test that is to backup the original CS8 project, convert to C9, and see if the original CS8 project is different from the current even if not corrupted.  That could even lead to improvements with both situations.