Can I pause my free trial? I don't have time to mess with trying it to compare it to others right now. I'm only 2 days in.

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I've got a list of simple things that I do all the time with my old Jasc Paint Shop Pro v6. The only reason I'm even considering replacing it is because it isn't compatible with my Windows 10. Everything works on Windows 10 but it can't seem to be set up to actually do anything more than open PSP without any image open if I double-click on any image file anywhere.
So, since I'm a Facebookaholic, that means I need something to play around with to modify photos I take with my iPhone or PrintScreens I grab.
So, is there any way to pause this trial or can I perhaps just start another trial later under another email address identity when I do finally have the time to see if it will do these at least?:

1. crop photos

2. Paste a copied image into an image

3. add characters of different colors, sizes and fonts

4. create a new image with a PrintScreen

5. create a rectangle and erase anything in it

6. create a rectangle & Copy what's in it to then Paste somewhere else or just drag it.

7. easily make display bigger or smaller like PSP mouse wheel does?

8. Paste Translucent if there's a white background

9. Open multiple images at same time to Copy & Paste from & into

10. great would be ability to make canvas larger like what SnagIt does

11. be Windows 10 compatible

12. Open multiple images at same time to Copy & Paste from & into
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Hey Jeff, there is no way to pause a trial I'm aware of.

SnagIt is the the most versatile image "Capture" device/software I know of.
Thats where it shines the brightness.
If thats what your looking for.You've found it.

Editing? Not so much.You'll get there, but it can be a bumpy ride.
I'm a Photoshop guy myself.I capture with SnagIt but do most of my editing in PS.

If I were as acclimated to Paint Shop Pro as you seem to be.
If you don't know, Corel acquired Jasc.
I would likely be knocking on Corel's "Back Door"............. through Amazons Front door.
Although I Just checked and 2020 Paint shop pro Ultimate is on sale for $90 through Corel.

If your trying to save a buck, you can get Paint Shop Pro Ultimate 2018 for $27
Heres a Amazon screen shot I just took.


I have a keyboard shortcut that invokes a SnagIt capture. That capture is sent to Photoshop automatically.
Is the best of both worlds if you prefer both.

For me, the programs complement each other and integrate well.

Regards,Joe
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I am a long user of PSP as well as Snag-it. But I stopped getting new versions of Snag-it at version 12. Version 11.4 was the best version and is completely solid on Windows 7 AND Windows 10. As for editing, I have all the versions of PSP since Version 4, even affter Corel bought it and botched it to some degree. At any rate, I recommend you buy PSP again, and look for a version one or two behind the current release and you should be able to find it for about $30-$40. These work fine on Windows 10.I do not use Snag-it for editing at all. Snag-it is a great capture tool, and I have written a 450 page Windows tutorial book in MS Word, using Snag-it for all the still screen shots! I also use Snag-it to create video tutorials on how to do certain things in Excel and Word.

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HOW COOL VINCENT. THANKS. I'm on it. I tried some of the new PSP after Corel bought it from JASC to get one that would work with the newer Windows (maybe 7 or 8?) and I hated the thing. I've always figured that Corel made some of those useless changes to give it a new "feel" so they could claim it as their own.
They were way to comical as if they were just for kids or something. I don't mean that literally but I'd expected them to be pretty similar to what I'd had for all those years with only minor modifications. Boy was I mistaken.
I couldn't even figure out how to have more than one image open at a time. Maybe there was a way but I gave up before the free trial ended since I thought I could just put up with always needing to use PSP to go Open a jpg or gif that I'd saved somewhere on my computer, even if it was just in a folder I created named TEMPS.
I really haven't been enjoying trying to learn using Snag-it anyhow. I hate how it pops up some crosshairs and some icon when I hit PrntScrn and then it wants me to do something. I gues I could learn to deal with that since I've played with it and got it to work. But my main deal is editing, cropping, resizing, merging with Select/Copy/Pastes, adding text etc.
So, you say I should go find a version 1 or 2 newer than my v6? They seem to have v7.01 out of order on this first list:
www.oldapps.com/Paint_Shop_Pro.php
www.oldversion.com/windows/paint-shop-pro-10 
Do you have any suggestion on that list? Like I said, all I want is a newer version of PSP that acts pretty similar to my old v6 so I don't need to learn too much new stuff (hopefully nothing ;-) ). Also, can you tell from that site if those are free downloads? I'm a dumb old guy so please forgive my stupidity.

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Jeff, I have been using PSP since about 1995. In 2004 Corel bought it from JASC, and made a lot of changes, and not all were good, like removing the Explorer type interface to find a file to open.I think that the last JASC version was either version 9 or 10. But It looks like version 10 (the 2nd link you have here) would work on Windows 8 and Windows 10, but I have no way of really knowing. I am afraid that if you went back further in versions, it may not run on today's Windows. I have kept up with most of their releases (including Corel's), but I buy them only when the price goes down to around $30 (for the Ultimate version). I use PSP or PowerPoint to edit the screen shots I get with Snag-it, but I do not really edit many Snag-it pics. I redo the Snag-it process until I get exactly what I want. I save Snag-it files as jpg files always. I use PSP mainly for editing pictures I take with my digital camera, or occasional pics from my smart phone.

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Vincent, thanks but I haven't done this yet. Luckily I just came across a posting on Microsoft Answers that tells me that after an update to Windows 10, somebody's PSP v9 just stopped working and couldn't even be uninstalled (?) Some driver issue?.
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/apps_windows_10-winapps-appscat_photo/jasc-paint-s...
Then I thought that maybe I should just try v8 but this one says v8 needs to be run in Compatibility Mode just like my current version does. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/apps_windows_10-photos/jasc-paint-shop-pro-8-with-...
I don't know what to do. I guess I could just keep living with my old v6 that I know so well, at least for as long as it keeps working in some way on Windows?
I'm not really too motivated to try to learn this Snagit. My trail period just ended and I've tried it enough to know it's not for me. I want to get back to the good old days when I hit the Prnt Scrn key and all that happened was that it saved the screen to my Clipboard. Those were the good ol' days. ;-) 
Got any suggestions on trying PSP v7 or 8 or should I just stick with 6?
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Jeff,

You can do a one-time reset of your trial: https://support.techsmith.com/hc/en-us/articles/360040491391-Reset-Snagit-Trial-Period. This is helpful if you downloaded and installed a trial, never got a chance to try it (maybe an unexpected business trip), and wanted another chance to run the trial after it expires.
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Thanks but things are over now. I used my REVO Uninstaller Pro to get rid of Snagit and all evidence of of it. It's GONE, never to be seen again. I've also unsubscribed from all of TechSmith's emails.
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Jeff, I hope your REVO Uninstaller was free because the one I mentioned from IoBit is! But your solution is a good one to remove all of Snag-it from your system. But you seemed burned by the product. Download version 11.4 or Version 12 and try one of those. I use Version 11.4 all the time, and almost every day, for both images and video and it always works and I never loose any files. I specify my own folders) I run this on Windows 7 and Windows 10. If you do get some other tool, I would like to hear what you bought and how well it works.

Vincent (06-03-2020)
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I've had that REVO Uninstaller Pro for quite a long time, more than 10 years. I think I tried the free version at first and I liked it a lot but it had some limitation(s) that I don't remember. You know, they do that to drag in new customers. They got me but I'm ok with that. I see it get updates about monthly. Who knows if they're really updating anything that benefits me or anyone at all?
Anyway, you say to download version 11.4 or Version 12 and try one of those. Were those from some time in the past? Why would I want one of them instead of the latest? Where would I get either if I wanted to try one? Are they free somewhere?
I'm a total amateur that's just a Facebookaholic that liked to grab screenshots, combine images and make very simple memes. I definitely don't need anything special and I just hate that the jerks at Corel that bought Paint Shop Pro from JASC and garbaged it up had just made a few simple updates to it instead of trying to show off. Must have had a bunch of newbie 20-something IT programmers on the payroll that didn't understand customer satisfaction.
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Jeff, You brought up several points! First, just because something is free does not mean it is not as  good as other products made by other vendor, like Uninstaller. I have never used the one you talked about, so I would hope it removed all of Snag-it. If I recall, you had serious problems trying to reinstall Snag-it, so I suggested getting a product that indeed does remove all of an application completely. Hence, Uninstaller by IoBit, which I use quite often.
Second, you asked why going backwards and getting an older version (like V11.4 or 12 of Snag-it) is a good idea. Since you were having serious issues with the current one (like many others are having), I suggested a version with essentially no issues, but does not have all the bells and whistles they have attempted to add sice then. If you like or want these new options that do not exist in the older versions, then it is not for you to 'go backwards'. You can find the older versions at https://www.techsmith.com/download/oldversions. But I have zero problems with Sang-it. I have no idea about lkicensing the older versions.
Thirdly, you mentioned the downgrading of PSP by Corel, which indeed they did do! (Here is a fine case where going forward is not good!) They took the product around version 9 or X. It as taken them up to about version XVII or so to get the product really good again. I now have version XIX, and it is great.

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Vincent, I should tell you that I'm just a guy that's a little interested in software & I have been ever since the early '70s in 4th grade when they suddenly added a room full of monitors & keyboards that we all got to have lessons on every day or so. I’ve had a fetish for them ever since they first started becoming available to home users. I bought a Zenith Z89 at the local Radio Shack which I think was basically just one of their kits that had been preassembled. It had 64k RAM and a twin external 5-1/4" floppy drive. I bought a daisy wheel printer for it for about $2,000.
There was no Windows yet so it was DOS and Basic programming. Later in  college, I took Cobol and Fortran programming classes and those were done by punching out your program on punch cards and turning them in for them to try running that night. Then the next day you could see if what you'd tried to have it print out had worked. We wrote really stupid stuff just to learn

The Revo Uninstaller Pro that I bought sometime (2005?) will first run a program's normal uninstaller after it writes 2 Restore points. Then it offers the choice of a Safe, Intermediate or Extensive scan for leftovers in the registry and in other places. It then shows a list of what it finds and lets you Select certain ones or ALL to Delete.
It also has a FORCED UNINSTALL which is only used if the program's uninstaller won't work.

I find it to be really cool to use. I don't remember what the Pro version did that made me want or need to buy it. It wasn't too expensive.
Back when I bought it, you didn't need to specify how many programs you would put it on like they do now to limit you.

It can also do what it calls a Forced Uninstall if the program’s default uninstaller won’t work.

You can even use it to Install a program so that it knows where all the bits & pieces are, just in case you want to remove it later. I don't use that feature.

I do see that it gets updates pretty often, I think thru my FileHippo App Manager updater freeware. I’m not sure what the updates are all about. It never pops a box asking me if I want to give it permission to add or changes anything. I check those type things very carefully to keep junk off my computer such as switching my default browser or installing some adware.
Come to think of it, I think that update feature must be built into Revo Uninstaller Pro since I don't see the normal FileHippo popup box for its updates.

I also run a program called Malwarebytes to fight malware PUPs (Potentially Unwanted Programs) and to keep other junk from being installed in the background.

Thanks for that tip on using the free Uninstaller by IoBit. I guess if I ever want to switch off my REVO, I could try that. I’ll make a folder for it in my Outlook.

I’m not sure what you meant when you said that I had had problems “trying to reinstall Snag-it” since I don’t remember any. But it’s gone now so I don’t care. We’ll let it go at that.

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Vincent, one more thing. Do you know if I can try one of the newer PSP from Corel without removing my old JASC version? I'd love to try a trial but I almost hate to mess with things if that might involve a tricky reinstall since Windows 10 doesn't like older XP programs for some reason.
I looked at some of the screenshots in the ads for some of the newer Corel versions and it seems like they look pretty similar to my old JASC PSP. Did the make it stupid for awhile and then bring it back to normal after too many people complained?
I've it on Amazon for less than from Corel sells it for. Corel is $74 - 20% or $63 and Amazon is about $34 depending on which version. I'm still a CD guy. I guess I should get with it and switch to doing downloads?
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Amazon has great discounts on software. But no refunds or free trials.
You buy it you own it.
You can run a free trial of anything Amazon offers. If you can download it from somewhere else.
Then purchase a key through Amazon if you want the program. Activating the installed version.
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Thanks Joe. I hadn't thought of that. What about my question on whether or not I'd need to first uninstall my old version before trying the trial? Do you think they write the trial update versions so that if you don't end up wanting it, it is easy to roll back to what I had? I know it must be complicated somehow in that the program name is the same even if the companies have changed due to the purchase long ago.
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There should be no reason you can't run 2 versions at the same time.

I'm currently running more than one version of several programs. I could chose to delete any version I want without consequence.
Some programs share the same library location.So you have to be careful not to delete shared library's or files.
Generally speaking, programs are completely independent of each other. 
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Wow that's good to learn,.So as long as I only use the standard uninstaller of the trial of any new Paint Shop Pro, an uninstall shouldn't remove anything that the old version might also need to use? I know that my REVO Uninstaller Pro has a warning after it has run the default uninstaller and then it has done a Safe, Moderate or Deep scan, to be sure not to Delete any files it finds that you might want. But maybe a typical uninstall just leaves them, is that what you've saying? If not, I don't know how else I could uninstall anything but leave certain files in certain libraries unless it offers to do that, which I have seen a few programs do when I'm uninstalling them.
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I would think a new version would be oblivious of the older versions existence.

Although, my Adobe applications detect older versions and offer to import my preferences when first installed.
But Adobe has always been under the same roof, and never been sold to another company.

I not sure what was left in tack when they sold PSP?
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Wow that's good to learn.So as long as I only use the standard uninstaller of the trial of any new Paint Shop Pro, an uninstall shouldn't remove anything that the old version might also need to use? I know that my REVO Uninstaller Pro has a warning after it has run the default uninstaller and then it has done a Safe, Moderate or Deep scan, to be sure not to Delete any files it finds that you might want. But maybe a typical uninstall just leaves them, is that what you've saying? If not, I don't know how else I could uninstall anything but leave certain files in certain libraries unless it offers to do that, which I have seen a few programs do when I'm uninstalling them.
While I'm asking weird stuff, I should tell you that I put an SSD in this Dell Inspirion desktop that has Windows 10 and all of my programs on it so that they run fast. The stock HDD is bigger and is setup just to hold my data. So maybe there's a simple way to try the trial by installing it on that HDD? I've never done anything like that and I even had help over at Microsoft Answers to install that SSD myself since it came with the HDD and then set everything up.
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I was apparently editing my last reply while you were posting yours. Could you read mine again?
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Joe, you said "I would think a new version would be oblivious of the older versions existence." and I guess I'd agree that's what would happen unless I buy a new version after something pops up while I'm running the old version due to some algorithm that checks for newer versions.

I'm about ready to just give a trial version a try without uninstalling my old version. Then if I like it or don't like it, I can go from there. I'd probably buy from Amazon. I wonder if I should start with v2019 or 2020 or even another one?

One thing that I seem to remember that I hated when I'd originally tried the Corel stuff was that I could never figure out how to have more than 1 image being displayed next to each other on the screen at the same time. I use that to size an image so that I can Copy part of it to Paste into the other image.
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Joe, sometimes I wonder if I should be bothering with getting a new version of Paint Shop Pro. I say that because this old JASC version does everything I want it to except for 1 silly thing. That is that even though I had to set it up by using the Windows special thing for older programs (I forget what that's called), it does everything it is supposed to do except it won't open an image (jpg, gif, etc) when I double click on the file. It just opens Paint Shop Pro with no image.

So I guess I'm just trying to get ahead of the day when it fails even worse due to some other change that Microsoft makes. Then I'd be scrambling to figure out what to get.
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I hear what you're saying.
I prefer windows media player.
Its basic, familiar and does what I need it to do.
Its starting to become hopelessly obsolete with regards to some formats. "Won't play them"
I'm reaching a tipping point with it. Its about time to let it go.

This is one of the areas Adobe handles so well.
Today's Photoshop has tons more functionality than the original of 20+ years ago.
But overall, the original tools and workflows are still available.

Photoshop today has a slew of new tools. Some do pretty much the same thing as the originals. Better in many cases.
The quality and accuracy of the older tools has been improved a lot.

I'm glad I'm running a newer version of Photoshop. The old tools are really that much better.
The new tools are awesome.

I have no idea what to expect from a Corel Platform? I've only played around with the program. You might be pleasantly surprised?
Or horrified?
One things for sure, if you don't rip off the band aid and jump in there. You'll never know {:>)
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I liked Internet Explorer but it got pushed out of the market. I knew how to set it up and it could be set to switch you to a new tab if you right-clicked a link and picked "Open in new link". EDGR doesn't offer that. Why Microsoft can't understand why that might be helpful baffles me.
IE is still hidden in the background in Windows 10, you just need to go find it and pin it to Start or Task Bar.
Would Photoshop do my basics to photos? Can it be bought instead of just rented on a monthly basis? I HATE paying for anything monthly in fact I refuse to. It's justa game that companies play to keep the cash coming in snd so they can spoon feed you more stuff.
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You can purchase Photoshop Elements. 
It's not nearly as robust as Photoshop. But it can do a lot of things. Theses a lot of you tube tutorials to watch. You can run a free trial. 
You can get it for around $70 at Amazon most of the time.

Real Photoshop is subscription only. You can get it for about $10 a month
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I think I'll give Adobe Photoshop Elements a try. Thanks. I see it for $70. That would get me around any concerns if I want to just uninstall the trial and go back to using PSP. I found a trial link is at the bottom of https://adobe-photoshop-elements.en.s...
It must work OK on Windows 10 even though that page says it is for Windows 8 or 8.1. At least it wasn't written for Windows XP like my Paint Shop Pro was.
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I would try the newest 2020 trial version form Adobe.
Amazon will have the key on sale for $70 or less 50% of the time. It's not hard to get it on sale.
The newest version is always a bit better.
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I think I'd really rather go cheap and stick with something that I know well enough to do my few silly things with. I'm sure any newer version will even do more if I find myself tempted to learn.
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Since I'm a super basic user, do you think I should do a trial of 2019 or 2020? Ultimate or just Pro? Pro would save me $10 and I'm all about saving $.
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I apologize for my repeated replies but I bet any version of PSP will do the simple stuff that I do just fine. I guess I should just try a trial of the newest one that I can buy for the cheapest. That way it hopefully will keep working as long as I'm still using computers on social media or as long as I'm alive if another reason comes along that makes we want to play with images.
So, maybe you'll reply to these & then I'll try a trial, REVO Removal it and buy it on Amazon if I like it
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Joe, have I lost your help? I hope not. I'll give it another day and then I guess I'll need to move on without you. Maybe you don't feel that you have anything else to add or that I'm just a troll. I'm sorry.
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No, you didn't lose me. I posted a like to the PSP post because it sounded like you made a decision. I didn't really think the previous posts mattered much at this juncture.
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I think I've confused you as I've swayed back & forth myself between trying a newer Paint Shop Pro or your suggested Adobe Photoshop Elements. I'm sure that explains my being confused when you mentioned version #s since it didn't match what I find available for PSP.
I've decided to try the Corel PSP 2020 without uninstalling my old JASC copy. I've watched some "how to" videos and it just looks like what I have with WAY more features, most of which I'll never want.
Hopefully that means that I'll like it and then I'll uninstall the trial and buy it in Amazon.
Or could I just buy it on Amazon to get a code # to license the trial? Is cheating like that OK?
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Just buy the code, don't uninstall and activate. Not cheating at all. You're just activating the program, the key doesn't care where it was downloaded from.
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Very cool. Thanks. I'll try this tomorrow:
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Do you know what the deal would be if I buy Corel PaintShop Pro 2020 and then I want to either add it to a 2nd computer (laptop) or I replace my PC or the HDD or SSD and I want to move the program?
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No I don't.
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Well I've got to guess that Corel does things pretty much the same as everyone else. How do other companies do this stuff these days? I've not kept up. In my day, you bought programs on discs and you did whatever you wanted with it. Things have changed because of the pirates and the thieves.
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For Corel Video Studio.
Electronic download is free for a year. You can save the download however you chose.
If you want a CD from, I'm pretty sure they charge extra to ship you one.
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Jeff, Yes, today's model is not to send out CDs/DVDs. You download the application. But to protect yourself, you need to save that downloaded file on your computer, and IF you want, you can copy it to a CD, or DVD if it is real big. A lot of computers are sold today with NO CD/DVD drive at all! And I am not just referring to laptops!

I have a folder called 'Downloads' that I install on all of my customer's computers, and this is broken down by manufacturer. Within a manufacturer, I will have created sub folders, one for each product that they make. As a new version comes out, I make sure to download the entire product (which you cannot always get), and save each new version, putting the new version number into the product filename.

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I've seen that Corel sells their PaintShop Pro 2020 Ultimate (they removed the space between Paint & Shop?) directly for $79.99 but the same thing (Ultimate) is $49.99 on Amazon or $39.99 for Pro. Buying by Disc or Download costs the same. I don't even understand why discs are being sold anymore. Thumb-drives & SD cards (especially micro & mini) are so cheap & fast and they can hold do much more. Why hasn't the entire industry changed over yet?
I do have an old external CD/DVD drive from my days using a Motion LE1600 Windows XP Red Tablet but I don't know if there's a driver for Windows 10. I should probably toss it although I did use it to put Office 2016 onto my daughter's new laptop a few years ago.
LE1600 review: https://www.cnet.com/reviews/motion-l...
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My real concern hadn't been actually having the program files but their allowing you to move it around ... maybe you needed licensing to use it on more than one computer, maybe even if you weren't a company with many computers or you are a person that is replacing your drive or your computer. Got me now? Don't some companies play games with people on that type stuff? I swear I've read them doing that.
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Jeff, Some applications or software manufacturers allow the product to be installed on only ONE computer, and if you have to reinstall it on that same computer, you may have a problem and may have to contact them. But in my experience (since the PC started) most applications are allowed to be installed on two computers - with the thought that one is a laptop and the other is a desktop, as is the case in my setup. I only use my laptop when I travel, unless I have to do something on Windows 10 (my laptop) or with MS Office 2016. My desktop is Windows 7 (the best OS MS ever made) and has MS Office 2010 installed.

So, if you cannot find anything that tells you whether or not you can install it elsewhere, try it.If you are trying to use this property in order to buy, here is what I have experienced with a few key products:

Windows - any version is good only on one computer, and when reinstalling, even on the same hardware, you may have to contact MS.
MS Office - You can often (each version may be handled differently) install it two places, but usually no more. The latest versions (2013, 2016, 2019) may be tighter.
PSP - I have been able to install it on several computers.
Snag-it - I have been able to install it on several computers (older versions).

In both cases, 'several computers means at least two and sometimes more. It also means across different versions of Windows. The only way to really find out, is to buy it and try it! If you want links to low cost products, contact me. Most of these 'deals' come & go quickly, so if you are in a 'rush', then you will have to pay the current going prices. But I get a lot of email daily that offers computer products (hardware & software) at really low prices. vlavalle@ix.netcom.com

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Hi again Jeff, I am responding here to your comments about CD/DVDs and thumb drives and SD cards when purchasing products. If something is to be shipped, the CD/DVD is the best format of all. Once put into its case, it is very hard to destroy in the shipping process. In addition, CD/DVDs are not suseptable to magnetic environments since they are just plastic. Lastly, the shelf life of a CD/DVD is probably 100-1,000 times longer than anything magnetic.

But the industry has shifted in most cases to just having the customer download the product from the web, and not ship anything, I suspect that this is mainly a cost cutting move, removing the need for the equipment to make the CD/DVDs (or pay to our source the manufacturing), and the package the product and then mailing it, which includes postage costs also, let alone the manual labor to do all this.

So, as I have mentioned before, this causes a 'reloading' and 'moving the product' issues. The vendors do not always keep their software online 'forever', and thus referencing it in the future may not always work out, but a CD/DVD will always be there (assuming you take care of it) if you buy the product via CD/DVD. So, in the cases you cannot, or choose to not order the CD/DVD, you should be building a folder with all of your 'software only provided' products, where you store this software, and hopefully backed up the folder as well. Once you follow this methodology always, you will be able to reload or move products to other computers, either for reloading on the same computer or a rebuilt one, or for loading one a secondary computer, like a laptop, as you mentioned you did..

If you do use this technique, DO NOT use the Windows provided folder called Downloads. In fact, do not use any folders in the Windows provided folder (under 'User') because these folders all get reloaded whenever you have to reload Windows or if Windows has a problem an it reloads them automatically. Create your own folder (I use the same name - 'Downloads') and unless you loose your hard drive, this folder will always be there, even when reloading Windows. Furthermore, you can always copy this 'Downloads' folder to other computers (when you get a new one, or when loading a secondary one, such as a laptop), to another computer and reinstall ALL your products that you do not have CDs/DVDs for. I do this for all my customers.

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Here's my 2 vintage external Iomega CD drives. I'll keep them for awhile since my son just put together a new desktop computer that doesn't have a CD or DVD drive in it. You just never know.
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Man, thanks you guys. I'm lovin' it learning things that I didn't even know to ask. Like that thing about making a Downloads folder to have any downloaded exe program installers downloaded into and then telling me where not to put it and why. I had been thinking that having 2 folders with the same name would confuse Windows but since I have 2 drives in this Dell Inspirion (an HDD & an SSD), I can put the 2nd Downloads folder on the other drive that has my data on it and it will be backed up manually but regularly.
I still do my backups onto a thumbdrive. I don't do clouds yet. I have a little DOS program that someone wrote that's on that thumbdrive along with a slim version of DOS itself. I just stick the thumbdrive in and run the program, which runs really quickly in a box, since it only writes or rewrites or deletes data based on what it finds.
It puts all the data in their folders onto the thumbdrive too.
I guess I might need to either rewrite that DOS program to have it include backing up the Downloads folder, or make Downloads a sub-folder in Document. But I don't have anything to re-write in DOS programs anymore since we just got rid of our Windows XP computers and I'd learned that nothing newer can do DOS.
I just thought of a problem with this. I don't think the thumbdive will be hold big program installation files.
I guess I'll need to just manually copy that folder onto a bigger thumbdrive.
Question here: can I just buy a really big thumbdrive and use Windows to Copy Paste the current one onto it? Will that then run like mine does now?
So as far as making & using a custom Downloads folder, would I use that on that 1st box that I usually have seen when I've installed freeware where it looks like a box that lets you point where it will be placed? I guess that's just where the installer exe will be put and when it runs it, that file will still be left there but the program itself and all of its parts will be automatically put wherever Windows wants them?
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Hello again Jeff, I need to further clarify my info about using a folder (which I call 'Downloads') is NOT the one in the Windows folders, which includes the folder named 'Documents'. Any folder inside the folder names 'Users' is the Windows folders. Given this, the Windows folder named 'Downloads' is inside the folder named ‘;User'. The folder I recommended (which I also name 'Downloads') is in the Windows folder, or "C" if you wish to name it directly. So, given this, you do not need to have a secondary drive to keep these folders separate, and with the same name. If you so choose to put the new folder 'Downloads' in your secondary drive (perhaps called "D"?), that is fine also, but not necessary.

 Furthermore, the backup process can be accomplished in many ways. You do not have to do anything to your DOS backup program. I recommend using the 3rd party file manager program called Total Commander ITC), which is in most cases (not always) a much better file management program than the one that comes with Windows, called File Explorer or just Explorer, which is NOT to be confused with Internet Explorer, the browser provided by Microsoft on all Windows versions prior to Windows 10, and is not decommitted by Microsoft. TC has been around a very long time, and its origin is from the Symantec Norton Commander, whi8ch first started ot as a DOS tool, and later came to be a ‘sort of’ Windows program. TC has the very same user interface (GUI) as Norton Commander did.

 You can download Total Commander at https://www.ghisler.com/download.htm, and buy it for $44.29 at https://secure.2checkout.com/order/checkout.php?CART=1&CLEAN_CART=1&PRODS=4705109&QTY=1&.... I bring this product up because it is a GREAT backup tool, as well as an outstanding file management tool. Most backup tools compress the files, or save them in formats only that backup tool can read. But since Total Commander (TC) is a file management tool, it will copy your files from your hard drive, to your thumb drive, or NAS drive, or even a Cloud drive, all in the same format and file structure as it is on your hard drive (or SSD).

 There are two forms of backing up data: (1) a complete backup where all this in the folders selected are copied to the backup storage unit, which overwrites any data (files) with the same name, and (2) an Incremental backup, which backs up ONLY the files that have been altered or created new. Unlike Explorer, TC comes with a dual page window so you can easily identify and copy your data (or move, which is a Copy and then a Delete of the source) from one place on your system to another, which can be somewhere other than on your system. This means copying your data from your HDD (or SSD) onto your backup device. And with the special option of copying over older files only, it can do an incremental backup for you, which is what you would do normally.

In closing, please try to not use any folders inside the Windows provided folder area, which means anything under the folder name of C:\'Users'. Always create your own folders, and whenever downloading anything from the internet (whether the source is a program web page, or an upgrade to an existing product, or any personal type of data transfer, such as Email, Skype, ZOOM, etc.), always do a Save As and not just a Save. The difference here is HUGE! Most of the time, just doing a Save will let the tool that is saving the data decide where it wants put it, and will give it a filename as well. The Save AS always asks you what to call the filename (it will supply a default name which you should normally change to something you will recognize), and it asks you WHERE to save it - what folder to put it in. Just following this guideline will save you tons of frustration, and you should almost never loose a file because you did not know where it went!

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I started a trial of PaintShop Pro 2020. Their Chat Support sure is really helpful. I've had to have their help twice already to fix things that I messed up & that I couldn't figure out how to un-do but I'm amazed at how much this version looks like and works like my old v 6.0.
Anyway, on your Downloads thing, since I'm considering whether or not to buy PaintShop Pro 2020 on a disc or a download, if I have the installation CD or DVD for a program (PaintShop Pro 2020), can I just Copy all of the files on it and then Paste them into a new Downloads folder on my D: drive so that someday when I want to install it again, I'll have access to the exe installation file if I'm on a computer that doesn't have a CD or DVD drive? I bet my next computer won't have one. Who knows when that will be, if ever. I'm 60 now.
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Jeff, the answer to your question about copying a CD/DVD to your hard drive (or onto anything else) is correct. Some applications, like PSP, are hundreds of MB of storage, and may exceed a standard CD, which is 650 MB. But I would recommend buying an external USB CD/DVD writer that can be used on any computer, and that you keep the original CD/DVD. If you are afraid of misplacing the CD/DVD, and if you have enough storage space, then yes, back it up.

Also, you should be able to use Explorer to back up the CD/DVD.

Vincent (06-18-2020)
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Did you see the photo of my 2 Iomega CD/DVD external drives? Those would be OK, right? Maybe I should make sure it can go get a driver if I plug one into my Windows 10 PC?
So, I guess you're saying discs will be here for quite awhile for this purpose mostly since they're flat and magnet safe for shipping?
Are SSDs , thumbdrives and SD cards really dangerous around magnets like the ones in the fan motor in your computer? If so, that means you could really mess up when you're working on s desktop pc.
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Hi Jeff, Yes, I saw your two CD/DVD drives. The only way to fond out iof they work on Windows 10 is to try them. If they do not, you buy one for less than $50. But your old ones (I do not recall how old they are) may not be able to read the new large storage DVDs. As for CD/DVD product releases, most venders are shying away from this media type since it cost them #\$$$. If you just download a file off the web, it cost them almost nothing, assuming that they have a website already.

Any magnet 'strong' enough can wipe out SSDs, HDDs, thumb drives, etc. The question becomes, what is 'strong enough'. Obviously, the tiny magnets in electrical motors (fans) is NOT strong enough, otherwise there would be no SSDs in computers that use fans (almost all computers). So, you do have to be somewhat careful abut storage that you carry, and not get it 'close' to a magnet that will impact it. I have run thumb drives thru the scanners at airports, but someday there maybe a stronger scanner, and it wipes out you data! But I doubt that will ever happen.

A simple example of how a 'magnet' can erase data is with today's hotel 'plastic' door keys. If you put them up against your cell phone, it will often disable the door key card, and you will have to either get it reset, or get a new one. Typically, you do not run into magnetic interference that is strong enough to wipe out data on most of today's computer magnetic based storage. But a CD/DVD is impervious to any magnetic strength, short of it melting the plastic that makes the CD, like with a ray gun, or leaving it in the sun long enough, which can melt things as well!

How is it going with PSP 2020? I just have PSP X19, and Snag-it 11.4 and version 12. It always works (on all Windows versions), and I never loose any files it creates, since it is setup to store into my own folder (outside the Windows provided folders), which I can cart to any computer at any time. I also have Snag-it save captured files in the highest resolution of .jpg format.

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Vincent. WOW. This thread is so full of cool stuff that I want to try to remember somehow. I'm not sure how I'll do that.
I don't really know anything about "large storage DVDs". Something must have changed in the industry. I'm not techie enough to know any of that and I never learned since I wasn't ever affected. Those things are old: probably 2004 or so when I decided to try being a Realtor and I thought I wanted to be a high tech one. I did actually close a few deals by having customers sign on the screen of my Motion LE1600 Red Tablet. Boy were they impressed. ;-) Here's the office I built:
https://www.facebook.com/vankjeff/videos/198194306877559/?l=3855232403395010508

I'm doing OK with this new PSP 2020 but I've not gotten too far yet. One thing that I hope it will do which you probably know is, on these new versions, can I have 2 images open & being shown at the same time like I can as seen here on my old v6.0, which I do often so that I can resize one if I'm about to copy one & paste it onto the other to combine them? I'd rather have it work that way rather than the open images only being shown as tabs that can be chosen from like 2020 does.

The support gal I was talking to said I could do that but then all she did was give me a link to a PDF of the User's Manual.

Here's what the 2 versions look like with the same 2 images open. I want PSP2020 to look like the old v6.0. Can it?:

OLD PSP v6.0 WITH 2 IMAGES OPEN:


NEW PSP 2020 WITH 2 IMAGES OPEN has TABS:


NOT VERY GOOD SUPPORT BY THEM BUT OTHERWISE, PRETTY GOOD FOR ME BEING A FREE TRIAL GUY.

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Vincent, I was just about to do what you'd said about making a separate new folder called Downloads that was in a different place so that it wouldn't get overwritten if I ever do something to Windows (refresh install?) since that would wipe out my Downloads if they were in there. 
But I find the Downloads folder on my C: is empty but the Downloads folder on my D:, which is what I named "Files (D:)" with someone's help here on this sites as he was helping me install it myself, has a few files in it including the PDF and the EXE of the new PaintShop Pro 2020 that I just downloaded off the Corel site a few days ago. So that means it got put in there all on its own. I didn't steer it in there. So now what should I do? I deleted the PDF since I'm sure I don't need that as it probably just got automatically expanded into the EXE file before it was installed, right?
Things are going pretty good as I learn using this new PSP 2020 although I do still find things way easier to do on my old version 6.0. Too much garbage in this 2020 that I never had to deal with before. Things like layers, Pallets and the Perspective Correction Tool was hidden, it wasn't just in the Image > Deformations drop down. That one was hard to figure out.
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Jeff, The 'Downloads' folder on C is inside the mess of folders initially called 'Users', and not in directly in the 'C' folder. It may look like it is, but that is why they are called the Windows folders. Microsoft hides where they really are, and just shows you the name 'Downloads', along with many other Windows folders, such as 'Documents; and 'Pictures', and so on. Their thinking long ago was to make it easier for the user, but all it does is cause confusion, and loosing files. Furthermore, the file management rule is that you cannot have exactly the same named file in THE SAME folder. This means you could have created a folder called 'Downloads' under/in the 'C' folder. The 'C' folder is where Windows itself resides, and this folder is called 'Windows'. A;most all the applications are installed under the "C' folder under the folder names of 'Program Files' and 'Program Files (x86)'. There are other key folders in the 'C' folder, which is also called the 'C Drive'. The very first folder of any drive is called the ROOT.

Now for the explanation of why something is in the 'Downloads' folder in the Windows folder area on the drive C. Remember, this folder called Downloads in NOT in the C folder, but rather hidden in the folder called Users. If you use Explorer, go down to the folder called 'Users' in the C drive and go into it. You will first see a short list of folders, and one of them is the name of your computer, and that is the folder you need to go into next. Inside that folder, you will see most of the Windows 'hidden' folders right away, including the one named 'Downloads'.  Now you see why I say it is 'hidden'.

Most applications come with certain default settings, and with browsers, the only one that came with the default of asking you where you would like to put any file you download was Internet Explorer, which Microsoft has pretty much dumped. All the others you have to go into their setting (or Options), and tell it to ASK you what to call the file AND where to store it. This is CRITICAL in managing your computer. If you do not set the browser you are using to ask this, it has a default folder name that it wil use when downloading and saving a file from the internet.They do not all use the same default folder name! Furthermore, it may be automatically stored into different folders based on the type of file it is. Sometimes it will go into 'Downloads', sometimes into 'Documents', and sometimes into 'Pictures', and sometimes elsewhere.

Snag-it is also one of the programs that has a default value as to where it saves its snap shots and another for its video capture. You can change this and also change what type of file Snag-it creates whenever it takes a snap shot. The Microsoft Office products (Word, Excel, PPT) also has a default value for saving files, which the user can change. In the case of these tools, you should always, yes always, do a Save As instead of just a Save when you save a new file for the first time. After that, a simple Save will always the file into the same place (folder) - into the folder the file was stored already. So, getting back to why there are some files in the 'Downloads' folder on C means that you had done something before and downloaded at least one file, and the default in the browser you used was to save the file to the 'Downloads' folder.

I have even more info for you regarding PSP, regarding having two images open side by side at the same time in one PSP session, but rather than go into that here on the Intuit forum, please email me directly at vlavalle@ix.netcom.com. I have a Snag-it image to show you that this can be done, and I will tell you how to do this. I would also like to go more into file management with you as well.

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Vincent, I'll get to that last long Reply soon but in the meantime, as I've been trying this trial of PaintShop Pro 2020 (PSP 2020), it wants at first to Save all new files as 'pspimage' files. I've always Saved as jpg and I'd thought that PSP v6.0 had a Setting where I'd could select the format that it Saved new images in (or maybe it gives the option to Save in the last format you Saved in?). But I can't find that in PSP v6.0 so maybe it worked just like it now works in PSP 2020 which is that it apparently just Saves in the last format that you Saved in.

I've looked like crazy in both v6.0 and 2020's Setting and I couldn't find one for this. That's since it no longer exists. 

Are there any reasons that I wouldn't want to Save images as a jpg, maybe certain PSP functions can't be done on a jpg? 

If that's the case, are they functions that I probably won't ever need or want to do? And if I did, could PSP 2020 convert a jpg to a pspimage using a feature or maybe just by opening the jpg and Save As a pspimage?
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Hi Again Jeff, PSP does not normally create a file from scratch. You usually use it to modify an existing file. But in either case (if you start from scratch in PSP), you can always select 'Save As', which is located under the 'File' tab at the top. One of the options to save the file type is .jpg. There are about 20 other file types. But you may actually be talking about how Sang-it saves its capture files. I do not have any of the latest versions, since thay have so many problem and are much harder to use. In my version (11.4), I click on 'Image' for it to be an image capture versus a video, and then I click on 'File', the in its drop down window I click on 'Properties', which on the right shows all the file types you can create using snag-it.

As for the question about why use jpg - it is simple a safe and high res file type for pictures, and like PDF files, cannot be changed directly without using a paint program like PSP. Actually, you cannot change the file, but you can copy it and make modifications that way, usually with layers. A lot of digital cameras creat pictures in jpg format.

Why are you not emailing me???

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Vincent, I just noticed where you'd asked "Why are you not emailing me???" What was I going to email you about? Was it about your offer on good deals on software?
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Jeff, Emailing me was about a direct connection instead of thru this forum. And it was about everything we have talked about, including how to manage 'downloads', removing programs that do not go away and cannot reinstall them, about PSP and how to manage many pics at once, about Windows file structure and Windows folder, and on and on.
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Vincent, regarding PSP "creating a file from scratch", what I'd meant was simply bringing in a PrintScreen and then Saving it. That's all. I've always known that if I wanted for some reason to Save it in another format than as a JPG, I could change it as I was Saving it. I've always chosen to use JPG for decades.
I haven't been talking about Snag-it for a long time in the thread at all. I never will. That thing is gone. I only started this thread about Snag-it as I was doing the free trial. Surely you remember that. I'll never buy it as I didn't see any benefits to it. My decades old version of PSP (v6.0) can easily just Edit > Paste > As New Image (Ctrl+V) so why BUY a program to do that and then it has all the tools I need to do my simple work.
I'm just a computer user geek, not an artist.
So my I don't think you caught my reason for asking you about using JPG as opposed to using PSPIMAGE format. The reason I'd asked that was that I was wondering 2 things:
1. Are you aware of anything that a newer version of PSP can only do with a PSPIMAGE file that it can't do with one that's been saved into another format? There must be some reason that they designed their own format.
2. If I save all of my PrintScreens as JPGs, which it does automatically if that's the last format you saved using, can the newer PSP programs like 2020 convert an image file from another format into  a PSPIMAGE or do you think I'd need to do a PrintScreen of it after opening it and then save that PrintScreen as a PSPIMAGE file?