can i use camtasia to record multiple screens stop and start while keeping one recording?

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hi, i have never used camtasia and want to know if i should use it, or buy multiple webcams instead. i need to record my desktop, then stop the recording and view the clip while keeping the recording going. i'm thinking maybe multiple screens and cloning my desktop screens could achieve this (im just guessing here, don't even know if there is such a thing as cloning). Alternatively stoping the clip and viewing it while recording again quickly is fine too like a B solution, it might be work out better than webcams, but camtasia would have to be able to keep recording on screen 1,  while i'm viewing the video playback of screen 1 on screen 2.    can anyone help please
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Multiple webcams is no good. Recording your screen with pretty much any camera makes for a terrible viewing experience.
Here is 2 screen shots using my Logitech 920 webcam. Which is a pretty decent camera. I'm holding it by hand so the focus is off a bit.But this is not a quality capture of the internet.It's a 1920 x 1080 recording.


It gets worse depending on what your recording, screen reflections, etc. Heres Camtasia 2018.



If you want a professional/quality video. You need to record the screen through the computer. Forget about pointing cameras at the screen.

Recording the screen with 2 recorders simultaneously. Puts quite a strain on system resources. Couple that with what you're doing. You need a strong computer to pull it off.

What kind of computer specs are you working with? What graphics card?Etc.

It's hard to form any opinion with out knowing what you have to work with.

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thnx for your reply......i currently have an old i5 processor on my old elitebook 8560p on 8gb ram laptop, and i got a pc with simular specs only more ram like 16gb ram.....but i'm going to upgrade soon so thats not so important. what's important to me is the ability to stop a recording and view it quickly while continueing to record. If i have to stop the recording to be able to view it it musn't be for more than 5 or 6 seconds. But what i need to record is only happening on a single screen, but i need to be able to view the playback on a tablet or a second screen while that first single screen continues to record live
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It sounds like the recording you want to view while Camtasia continues to record is a throwaway video? You only need it observe what you've just done? You won't actually use it to produce a video?

If that's the case.

If your computer supports 2 monitors. I would record what your doing on the primary monitor using Camtasia running continuously.
Use a free screen recorder to record the other video.I'm not sure what one would be best. One that records directly to mp4 would be best. It would be light on system resources.

I used SnagIt 2019 on a 2560 x 1440 monitor with the recorders setting set to the lowest quality setting. The editor is open on my secondary monitor. So as soon as I stop recording, it opens in the editor. The clarity of the video is quite good for a down scaled version to 1920 x1080. It was only 5fps, so you might need medium or a higher quality setting to see what you need to see.The quality setting controls fps capture.






With two recorders running at the same and a low powered i-5. You're going to struggle with dropped frames in both recorders. i-5's just aren't that strong. Not for video, and especially for dual recording.
 
The problem with SnagIt is you need restart the recorder every time.Including selecting an area of the screen. So it's really not that practical.

I tried Bandicam, but it leaves a ribbon across the top as big as a browser search bar.

So you would need to look around for a recorder that works best for you.

If you are about to upgrade and can afford it. Get the fastest i-7 available. Go with a Nvidia graphics card. I'm not sure what the minimum requirement is these days? But you want a good strong "Discrete" graphics card  anyway. The GTX 600 series and higher support Shadow Play. A free screen recording add that runs 100% off of the graphics card. The CPU isn't burdened in the least.It records directly to mp4 so you can have nearly instantaneous playback.
I don't think you couldn't find a better way "Computer Resource Wise" to dual record the same screen.

However, there is a popup that pops up every time you start and stop a recording. It's there for almost 5 seconds.So you would need to trim that section out.While reviewing a clip, you would probably want to restart the recorder.Because you aren't working the main screen anyway?



I could be way off base, not knowing exactly what your recording. But this is what I could come up with.If I think of something else, I'll let you know. If you elaborate further on what your doing, maybe I'll have different ideas as well? 

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i see, so what about recording on 1 monitor and viewing the playback on a second monitor, should i follow the instruction that you wrote earlier?  because you instruct to record on 2 monitors , which i'm not understanding why ?
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Oh, and I wasen't suggesting recording 2 screens at all. You need 2 monitors to function. I'm not sure what I said to confuse the matter.
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So from what i understood, lets say screen 1 i run the soccer streams on and i use camtasia to record it. Then i press stop recording and i use screen 2 to view the playback file, am i correct so far?  So you also mention using ''Use a free screen recorder to record the other video'' so that's a second software besides camtasia? where does that come in to use, i think thats where i misunderstood you?
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Heres my set up. The left monitor is larger than the right. I'm recording the Left monitor with Camtasia and the Camtasia toolbar is on the Right monitor.

On the left monitor, is a fly-out menu letting you know I just started recording with Shadow Play. "Graphics card" The green rectangle in windows file explorer in the right monitor.Is the new Shadow Play recording being saved.It doesn't have a normal thumbnail because its a recording in progress.
When you stop the recording through a keyboard short cut its saved very quickly.Because its processed as recorded.You can just click the video to view it.
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So you watch the shadow play recording, but ever time you restart shadow play.You get that fly-out banner letting you know you restarted the recorder. So it's less then ideal. I'm not sure what else is available for your purposes. I'm sure theres some very expensive software that does a great job. What does it for a reasonable price? Will probably take some research.I've never done what you want to do.Not 5 monitors with instantaneous playback from any given monitor at any given time .
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just brainstorming here ...

have you tried recording with both CS9 and Camtasia 2018 Recorders, at the same time?

I use a Lenovo i5 laptop, 8 GM RAM; I've co-recorded using both Recorders many times, without issues; but always on a single monitor

I'm guessing that you would need to watch the soccer matches screen on both monitors so you could continue recording on one [let's say, using 2018 Recorder], while you can stop recording and watch on the second [CS9 Recorder]; throwing away the 2nd would not interfere with ongoing recording on the other screen; the recorder used to do the quick looks could be set to preview after capture, or put it on the timeline in the editor post capture, to review there

with this approach, the main recording would not have to be stopped until the final ending

I have no experience using duel monitors; just speculating that this approach might work; assuming you have 2 monitors

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Yeah, I considered that approach as well.
Technically, your running two instances of Camtasia at the same time. Which technically is against the End User Agreement the way I understood it. I didn't want to give out that kind of advice.
I ran it by Tech Support just now. They said you can have 2 versions open on the same computer.But if your going to run two recorders, its best if you activate the programs using 2 different keys.
They didn't say they would consider it illegal to advice someone to run 2 versions of Camtasia and 2 recorders.That was my concern.
 
Camtasia records very high quality recordings. It's more demanding on system resources than most others.  Much higher than necessary as a secondary recorder.
I would have thought an older i-5 would be pushed to it's limits to run two recorders simultaneously.
Leaving little to run the operating system and any applications.

But operating systems are getting more efficient and these soccer games must be from the web.So that shouldn't require much resources. It might be worth a try. 
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actually, not running 2 Camtasia instances; just legally running CS9 and 2018 at same time; no issue there; mine do have separate keys

my i5 has always handled both at once, no problems; both at 30 FPS; dialing back the frame rates and/or capture areas would make it even easier on the processor; but I've never seen any system issues at 1920x1080 full screen, both; these were just screen captures; no web cams involved or system audio

I tried 2 system audio's at same time; caused audio issues, so don't go there

bigger problems have been keeping track of the shortcut keys; so I set 9's as ctl-shift-alt-F9 and ctl-shift-alt-F10, and leave 2018's at the defaults; it's also challenging remembering who is running when because the capture area green things overlap

but with a little practice, very doable
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do you mean buying 2 keys from the same version of camtasia ie. camtasia 2018 x 2 purchases or are you talking about 2 different versions of camtasia?  what's this cs9 version?
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the method requires using 2 different versions at the same time; CS9 = Camtasia 9, the version that preceded Camtasia 2018 [which is the latest version]; both have the same Recorder tool
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Well, Mchaka Kolentai

I don't know if any other screen recorders have instant playback?

Maybe you'll find that it will be cost prohibitive for a system to switch between 5 monitors and a 6th. instant playback monitor as well.

That sounds like a Monday night football control room or professional Hockey game set up to me. "Sort of"

I can't imagine what they invest in their equipment. Plus more than one person to run it I imagine.

Maybe theres something perfect just waiting for you.I really don't know. But if you find yourself sticking with dual monitors.

Heres how Shadow Play might serve you well. Instant Playback that you can program for timed recording length.
I'll let this video explain everything. It was to much to try to describe with words.


 
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So in the example video you posted is camtasia recording nonstop without breaks?  so i don't miss out on anything?   If so it's perfect for me
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Correct. 
I like the instant replay approach.Short instant playbacks videos.

That's why I made the video.It seem like the right fit for what your doing.

With Camtasia, you would have the extra step of Re-Starting the recorder every time you stop it.


Instant Playback runs in the background. So you start it and forget about it.

Plus, instant playback misses "Nothing" because its never shut off.  If you see something you want to see in playback 7 seconds after you hit the save for a different replay. Instant replay will save a 7 second replay.Even if your default duration is set to 30 seconds.

So it's pretty slick.
 
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Almost forgot, another drawback of Camtasia. If the recording is 1, 4, X minutes or longer. Your going to have to play around with the fast forward controls to look for your highlight.

Considering what your doing , the 15 second instant replay might be a good setting for
you.

This is someone elses video. It will give you a general idea of Shadow Plays controls and features.
Well, they actually call it GeForce Experience now. I've been using it since it was new. It used to be called Shadow Play.
 
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Thank you joe morgan and kayak man for your advice. A few last questions. The green thing that pops up is not a problem. So in the example video you posted is camtasia recording nonstop?  so i don't miss out on anything?   If so it's perfect for me.     Also   What is cs9, camtasia 9?  at https://www.techsmith.com/products.html i only see camtasia 2018 being sold
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 I was thinking that Shadow Play/GeForce Experience would be more like Option 2 if the 6 monitor instant playback setup didn't work out.

I don't know how old your current laptop is. You would need a Series 600 graphics card.

That's a high end card. Its not the best of the best. Its the lower end of the best. But a first class card in its own right.

That being said, I don't know that much about laptops. But with a desktop, you need to make sure its compatible with the graphics card you buy. Its difficult to buy a new graphics card for a 5 year old desktop. I had to get a graphics card for my mothers computer for a 2560 x 1440 monitor I bought her as a gift.
The integrated graphics had an issue. To make a long story short. I couldn't purchase a Nvidia card. I settled for what I could find.

You may be able to put a newer card in your laptop. It depends on computer Bios, motherboard chip-sets and things above my area of understanding.

You may be able to find the right older card for your laptop? I start by chatting with Nvidia and tell them what you're up to.  https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/chat/chat_launch

Go from there.{:>)



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I don't know how power demands work with laptops either.

With a desktop, a stronger graphics card uses more juice and you might need a larger transformer.

With laptops, the graphics cards use less juice so they can run on batteries.And cost twice as much money because of it.

I was always under the impression that laptops are not really designed to be taken apart and upgraded.

Anyway, good luck with it.
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Okay I just got done eating dinner.

Here are some other factors to consider. Is there room in the laptops case for the new graphics card? Laptops are designed pretty tight inside so that could be an issue.

With my desktop, I’m running a GeForce GTX 660. It plugs into a single PCI express port slot. If I wanted to upgrade to a higher grade card I would have to replace my motherboard. Because the higher end cards require 2 PCI express port slots.

So, on top of everything else. There may be connectivity issues.

Bottom line, you need to do some research before you buy a card.

I didn’t mean to confuse you with all the talk about buying a graphics card. I was under the impression that you are about to make a move on upgrading your computer.

From the outside looking in, the 5 monitor configuration with the 6th for instant playback. That you mentioned initially. To me, that would require 5 recorders. One for each monitor.

And an elaborate set up to make it all come together. To which I had no idea how you would go about doing that and making it a smooth and seamless operation.

While I’m 100 percent confident it can be done, I just don’t know that it can be done for a reasonable amount of money. Or if the price really matters to you.

The Nvidia alternative is the best option I could come up with. There may be something similar with other software. I just don’t know. I’ll leave it at that.

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Okay I looked at your original post and I see you have a laptop and a Desktop.


Great. Same thing, make sure its a 600 series or higher and its compatible with your motherboard, etc. and so forth.
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regarding the 6 monitor setup.......that's why i asked about cs9 and 2018, because i thought that info might come in handy if i was to try the 6 monitor setup in the future. i'm not sure it'll be at all neccesary, but i might decide to give it a go in the future, or not. What if you got really old monitors recording on 720p resolutions, wouldn't that make it easier?     With regard to graphics cards, i'll be buying it for my pc. My pc is one i costum built myself, and i bought a cheap celeron processor and geforce 420 card as temporary items untill i could save up for the i5 and proper gpu. But before doing that i decided against gaming and just kept the old hardware.  My motherboard is 6 years old but it's the best piece of hardware i have ever owned, an asus gen-z micro atx republic of gamers motherboard.......it is insain quality on that product. I got an awsome powersupply too. I'v owned a GTX660 then sold it after deciding against gaming, so i'm going to look for something in that category on the used market. It will be interesting to see if the celeron 520 cpu can pull it off, it's definatly a better peformer than my laptop i5 (probably because it needs to be opened and cleaned, i'v never opened a laptop before so not sure i'll be doing that, i bought this laptop on the used market)    anyway looking forwarding to trying all this stuff out!
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So Mchaka Kolentai,

Got some follow up for you.

You could even use newer monitors set to lower resolutions. They would be somewhat blurry to your eyes.But the recording itself would be pristine. Because you record the signal, not the monitor itself.
However, with Shadow Play. It only records the Primary Monitor. You select the primary from Windows settings. So you would need to cluster 5 monitors together to use it. Then play them back on the 6th.

If you recorded at 1280 x 720 over 5 monitors. That’s 6400 x 720. So you would need a whole lot of graphics power to pull it off.


The 5 monitors alone are nearly 8K combined. You would probably want a  50" 4K TV or larger to view the playback. To provide enough detail to see things.

This puts you in the territory of requiring Dual 8K monitor support. I already had a chat with Nvidia about this.

 This is an interesting topic to me. That’s why I’m perusing it. I’m confident your motherboard won’t support this card. They will be e-mailing with their recommendation within 24 hours.

Plus, I told them about clustering 5 monitors, Shadow Play, 4K playback etc.

 So the recommendation will be spot on for a Windows 10 computer. They wanted operating system information. That’s what I gave them that.

They asked if I had a PCI-e x 16 expansion slot. I told them the computer would be built around the card.

I’m guessing several thousands of dollars. I’ll say $8,000 for 8K. we’ll see.

You would literally build a computer around a card like this, the computer is cheap by comparison. The card may be more reasonably priced? It will be interesting to find out.

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wow that is really cool!      thanks for contacting them    i'm really looking forward to hear what they say:)
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So actually,  pretty inexpensive for what they've come up with so far. But I'm not sure if it's the ideal arrangement. I sent a follow up e-mail this morning. I wasen't getting anywhere with chat.This topic has gotten to deep for the average chat support worker.I had to cut off talks with 2 of them. "getting nowhere"
Heres the actual e-mail I received. I'll post it and follow it up with another post of what I e-mailed and why immediately following this one. Well, it will take me a bit to type it out and add the images. But coming very soon.

Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care. This email is with reference to your contact to us
 
Note that to use the displays for NVIDIA / GeForce Experience Shadowplay Instant Playback you would need to use a compatible GeForce series card. In these series, there are a combination of options to use multiple displays in surround mode to make it as a one large display and then use one display as accessory
 
So, the card would support a set of multiple displays to create Surround / one large display and one additional display
 
However there are limitations to use a 8K display as additional display when using the card for multi-display in Surround
 
Graphic cards like the GeForce GTX 1080 or the GeForce GTX 1070, when using two cards in SLI, it supports 2~5 displays in Surround + 1 accessory display
 
Click on the following links for information
GTX 1070
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-1070/specifications
 
GTX 1080
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1080/
 
NVIDIA Surround System requirements (Select the graphics card and the setup then click on Find Configuration to get information on supported setup)
https://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/surround/system-requirements
 
 
Please let us know if the above information was helpful and continue to post us for any further queries and we would be glad to assist you
 
Warm Regards,
Arun S
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So, with 2 GTX 1080s at $549 apiece that’s much cheaper than I thought it was going to be. At least that’s the current price in the link that he sent me in that email.

Of course your motherboard would have to support 2 cards. I didn't look up the specs on the cards but in general. You would need 2 PCI express slots. To the best my knowledge the average motherboard comes with one. 2 cards generally need about 200+ watts of power.

It’s the recording arrangement that concerns me more than anything else. That’s why I sent an email. There’s enough overall pixels available to have your 5 monitors at 1280 by 720 and a 4K television for instant playback.


However, the monitor configuration. 5 monitors clustered in landscape or portrait mode. Obviously you would go for landscape mode. That is how shadow play would record the 5 monitors. Which is all well and good except for playback. When displayed on a 4K television. In landscape mode they would be shrunk down.



Even on a very large screen. Those playback windows would be fairly small.Around 780 x 420.

In the Nvidia control panel you can arrange your monitors anyway you want to. I currently only have 3 monitors hooked to my computer. I moved 2 of them underneath my primary monitor just to show you how versatile the Nvidia Control Panel is.




You would be arranging 6 obviously.

so that’s the question that I put to Nvidia support. If you could record all 5 monitors with 3 on top and 2 on the bottom. You could play them back at nearly 100 percent resolution on a 4K television. They would be clustered touching each other and there would only be a few pixels hanging over the edge of a 4K HDTV. They wouldn’t actually be hanging over the edge because the player would rescale the video to fit. I just created the image to scale so you could see how little rescaling would be involved.



so that’s kind of where it stands. I would think shadow play could record the cluster in the 3x2 arrangement I envision. But I just don’t know.

It's Nvidias move


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Okay so,

the only possibility is to cluster all the monitors in landscape mode. Nvidia doesn’t have any graphics cards that will allow for other arrangements.

If you went that route. Playback on the 6th monitor. And that monitor/television was 52 inches. Those clustered videos would be roughly 9 inches by 6 inches. You could zoom in and move the video around for a larger playback window. Myself, I wouldn’t want to do that.


It would be cheaper and easier. To record on 1 monitor and play back on another.

When it comes to actually capturing 5 monitors separately. And channeling them to another monitor at will. Clearly, I don’t have the vaguest idea how to do that.

I live in Vermont. One of our local news channels. Still doesn’t broadcast in HD. Cameras are relatively inexpensive. So that shouldn’t be the bottleneck. In researching this subject, the thought hit me. I’m calling these people and asking them why. It’s a combination of the equipment to broadcast the signal. And the equipment were talking about. The equipment that handles the incoming signals from multiple sources. They are actually moving the studio to a new facility in the spring of next year. About time!

My final thought is this. If Nvidia doesn’t offer a solution. Then no simple solution exists.

This is just a guess. 5 inexpensive computers, each recording a monitor. Channeled into some form of switching mechanism. For playback on the 6th monitor.

Other than that, I leave the research up to you.

Let us know what you do in the long run and how it works out for you.

Regards, Joe






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thanks alot joe for doing this reasearch.........2 question i have       in the solution that nvidia offers, would the windows that have the individual soccer game is running in, would that window be able to be in full screen mode or would landscape mode mean that you cannot press the full screen tab of the individual soccer games?              
my second question is about your comment  '' 5 inexpensive computers, each recording a monitor. Channeled into some form of switching mechanism. For playback on the 6th monitor.''   what do you mean by some form of switching mechanism?    
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Landscape mode means your capturing all 5 monitors in landscape mode. So full screen mode would be landscape mode.
It pretty much defeats the purpose of having multiple monitors. 2 very large screen tv's seem like a better overall viewing option to me.

Some form of switching mechanism?I can't answer that. I was speaking in hypothetical terms.
Sporting events use multiple cameras, can switch between cameras at will. And give you instant replay on those cameras.
They have a central switching mechanism for all of that.

You would need something on a smaller scale. Engineered differently I would assume. But  I don't posses first hand knowledge on the subject. I'm not sure where you would go from here.