Captions under video in Camtasia Studio 8

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I recently upgraded to CS8 but find I still have to use CS7 for certain functions.

The one function is for captions. Although CS8 has an option to Show Captions or Hide them (which is nice), CS7 has an option to place Captions under a video as well as on top of a video. CS8 seems to only have an option to view captions on top of a video. Is there any reason why this function was removed?

I often use this function when showing a Powerpoint slide in English and then the caption in another language beneath it. This avoids the caption from interfering with any text on the slide. With CS8 I'm unable to do this now and so I find myself having to render a project in CS8, then importing the production back into CS7 so that I can use this old caption functionality and then re-render the project with the captions where I want them

Could you please reinstate this function from CS7 in CS8?
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The first 2 pics are CS7. The last 2 pics are CS8 showing how not being able to place the captions under the video cause an overlap confusion with the slide beneath.
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To show captions under the video, adjust the editing dimensions and canvas sizes to create a black area under the video [within the canvas area]

Search this forum; I remember there was a recent post by a TechSmith employee showing how to do this
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Excellent thank you - this solves my problem
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it works but not exactly the desired outcome especially when a video has multiple breaks and various images callouts etc.. After adjusting canvas to allow space under video for captions, the various callouts on the timeline also need to re-sized and moved to sync to the changes to the new layout. No Aspect Ratio, just squeezed it upward whereas previous functionality handled that automatically. This is now another layer of editing I must handle in addition to time creating captions.
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if you select everything on timeline, then execute a group [ctl-G], you should not have to re-position or re-size callouts, etc, separately, as the entire content can be repositioned at one time 
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Unfortunately, this doesn't help me at all. I already edited my video which created "breaks" in the video track. Changing the canvas size or adding "zoom and pan" refuses to cross the breaks. Now I'm stuck. I cannot manually create the exact same canvas size across dozens of breaks. CS8 is so brain damaged...it didn't work like that in CS7.
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There is one thing you could do UltimateBargins. I'm sorry it's going to be time-consuming to recover, but I think this will be much faster than starting over or living with the captions you don't like.

1. Export your captions.
2. Remove your captions from the video.
3. Produce your video--highest quality setting possible. I think MP4 would be fine, but you could go down the Custom Production Path and do something like an AVI.

Then...

4. Create a new project.
5. Import your recently rendered video.
6. Position it on the canvas, and resize the canvas so that there are 80 extra pixels (I think that's the number) below your video.
7. Import your captions.
8. Render the final video.

I know that's a huge pain, and we've been hearing this feedback from others as well, and we're taking it seriously.

In the future, what you might do is similar to what I mentioned above, but you could do all of your video, except for the captioning, in version 8. Then, produce the video, bring it in to version 7 and add your captions there.

Again, not ideal, but I wanted to put it out there for you.

Thanks for posting and I hope this helps a little.
Sincerely,
Mike Curtis
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I think the problem that I mentioned with captions and "zoom and pan" is a "symptom" of an underlying worse "cause". When cutting a section of video, CS8 creates a split or "break" at that point when CS7 did not. The "caption under video" option in CS7 simply (and automatically) resized the canvas. Now the resizing is manual. I have no idea how anyone could have justified removing automation in preference to forcing the user to manually make the adjustment, and when combined with the "automatic split" new behavior of cutting, I don't understand how this brain-damaged behavior got past the quality assurance team (and that's probably the "cause").
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I'm with Ultimate Bargains on this one! I'm at a University where we are trying to get instructors to caption more of their videos. Now if they don't want to have their screen recordings or PowerPoints to get covered by captions, they'll have to go through a time-consuming work around. As a result, I can only imagine that a lot of instructors will simply choose NOT to caption. Really, TechSmith, removing the Under Video feature was a bonehead move. Please put it back, and quickly.
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Hi all - I'm happy to pass along the news that our development team made some changes in the new Camtasia Studio 8.0.3 to bring back under-video captions! It is a free update for anyone who owns Camtasia Studio; just open Camtasia and click Help > Check for Updates.

A couple of details...

You won't see the placement of the captions reflected in the preview window but when you produce to Screencast.com or the Flash/HTML5 player you have the option to place the captions below the video in the final, produced file.

This video from Camtasia product manager Shane Lovellette includes a section showing how the new caption placement works (see 14:35).
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No this is not the case as I am using Camtasia 8.6.0 build 2054 and although I select captions under video, I can only see the captions in preview mode but not in the finished mp4 file. Similarly, I cannot burn in captions over my slides as that would look bad and be hard to read for our hearing impaired customers.
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captions under the video are also normally burned into the video

do you want closed captions that will display under the video frame [burned in captions are open captions]; if so, there is a way to do that
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Likewise, I have 8.6.0 and the under-video captions are not showing in the finished mp4 file, although they are correct in the preview. Burned-in captions work, but since the video is in American Sign Language and it covers some of the signs, that's not feasible.
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are you producing with controller?; then play video using the xxx._player,html launch file
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Thank you! Now I see them getting to video through that route. I had expected them to be on the .mp4 file itself. I hope a future release will add them to the .mp4 file directly.
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the captions type you are desiring cannot be attached to the MP4 [embedded] as they are an interactive content that requires the controller to function; if you need tyhe in the MP4, you must use burned in captions
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Hi, I using the CS 8 Trial version and would really like to render my videos with captions. In CS 7 I was able to choose "under the Video" overlay made. I cannot select "captions under the video" mode. PLEASE PLEASE bring it back, with additional option to increase the space between the Video above and a bigger Caption Box just below it.
Hitesh Parmar

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Caption Options in CS8 lacking.
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Because I frequently caption lessons with a considerable amount of text on the screen, (computer programming is one example) the ability to put captions below the video has often been a very necessary option. I can't find that selection in Camtasia 8. Hopefully, it has just been moved? Thank You!

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Caption Placement Option Moved?.
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This is a serious problem. I won't pay for anymore CS upgrades until this item is fixed right. I want the "under video" captions burned into the mp4, just like it was in CS7. I'll have to switch to another provider if you don't fix it.
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are you using CS 8.0.3?
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yes, it won't burn in the captions. the rendered mp4 doesn't have the captions.
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interesting ... I don't do under video captions, so I'll check that out later

have you tried making an AVI then producing that as an MP4?
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I can't say I'm happy with the changes in V 8.0.3 regarding the under video captions. I need to produce my videos with captions as mp4s without player. So I'm still creating and rendering without captions in V8 and then importing the video and the captions seperately in V7. Not really the easy way and I think it causes qualitiy losses as well.
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have you tried using under video captions in 8.0.4 [custom production]?
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CS8.0.4 doesn't "burn in" the "under video" captions. It is a mutually exclusive option "burn in" or "under video", you can't get both. The "under video" option requires using the player HTML stuff. It doesn't get into the actual mp4 file.

For now, I am using the lame work-around to generate the mp4 without captions. Then creating a new project with the mp4, adding the captions, and then adjusting the canvas thing above the mp4 video. Selecting the "burn in" option then creates a new mp4 with the burned in captions.
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this is what you want, right?

http://cookbookplus.com/temp/TechSmit...

this is how you do it in 8.0.4 ...

http://www.screencast.com/t/tN84hLjmzM5y
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Yes, that's how I've create burned-in under-video captions. I must render twice.
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I have to admitt, I didn't realise, that by turning off the controller, I can get rid off the html-stuff.
I'd say I can live with this way (described in kayakmans video) to do it. It's still rendering twice, but the result is fine and I can say goodbye to V7.
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Having to render twice is quite a hassle. Why do the captions only come out in the HTML version or if you send to screencast.com.  It seems silly to not have the functionality in the MP4 as well. I wonder if I can go back to the old version.
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do a custom production without player and set the captions to be closed [burned in] captions, to show either over or under the video
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When I click to produce without controller then my caption option goes away, which is interesting. I think my better option is to just reduce the size of the original video so the captions appear under them and then produce and burn in the captions. Then I will only have to produce once.
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set the captions up BEFORE un-checking produce w/controller
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Hi Kayakman -- I'm in the same boat with others trying to trick the captions into appearing below the video screen, as in older versions of Camtasia.  I followed your advice to select "Under video caption" first, and then deselect the "Produce with controller" check box. In the resulting .MP4 file, the captions are still within the video area, not below it. Just wondering if you had any new tricks/advice.  The source of my videos are PPT files and I'm trying to avoid redesigning them all to allow for the caption area.  I know I can shove the slide content up in the canvas, but that cuts off content in the top of my slides. Thanks for any new discoveries!
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did you increase the editing dimension's vertical size to create space for the captions to get burned in below the video clip?
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Hi Kayakman -- it occurred to me that I could do something similar without the double compilation. I dragged one corner of the video and dragged inward to make the entire area a bit smaller, just so it was kissing the top of my 2-line captions. I then produced as an .MP4 without controls, left the captions "On," and the resulting video looks exactly as it does when I compile in the older version of Camtasia.  When I look at the new and old videos side-by-side on separate machines, both fill the same area and both have the captions below the video. I think my problem is solved, even though it would still be fun to have a simple, "place captions under the video regardless of output" command.