Capture rounded corners of dialog window

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I thought that Snagit had the built-in ability to capture a dialog window that had rounded corners, where it would use a transparent color in the corners.  It does not appear to be doing this.  Am I wrong in thinking that this was a feature?



I'm using Snagit 2018.1.1.  I've been a user since 2007.
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I think you may be thinking about SnagIt 10?

See if the video below is what you are referring to.

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I don't think that's the relevant video Rick.  It describes how to capture a transparent title bar, or not. Ben was looking for a feature that would capture items with rounded corners and apply a transparency to the small wedge in each corner.  I echo that idea

And I would add, allow user to apply a radiussed corner to all captures, with a degree of radius slider. 
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@Rick thanks for the suggestions, but neither are what I'm looking for.  I want to be able to capture rounded corners that already exist on standard Windows 7 dialogs. 



I did some more searching and now recall that it was WinSnap that had this feature in 2007.  I switched to using Snagit around that time because I really liked the Library feature (and many more things).  11 years later I'm a bit surprised that Snagit still hasn't added this capability (unless it was added and later removed).

Please "Like" this comment to raise awareness and maybe it will be addressed in a future release.
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Likes are good, but Me Too votes are what count.

+1 from me
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I'm not trying to dump sour milk on your Corn Flakes but.
Windows 7 is going the way of the horse and buggy in January 2020. Just like Windows XP. No more security updates, no more updates.

Why would TechSmith want to develop a feature for a soon to be antiquated operating system?

I liked the "Areo" Theme. It was a nice look. It was also a resource hog that overwhelmed under-powered graphics cards. You could disable it in settings. I think Microsoft decided it was a mistake to expect users to know enough to do that "If Necessary". So it's no longer available.

WinSnap still exists today. I was curious about it and looked at it's website. It's says it's a one time purchase, upgrades are free for life. Last release was in 2018.If you've got a key and registered it, seems like you could still get a current version and use it for those rounded captures.

Windows 10 and most applications use sharp square edges.
 SnagIt's One Click 2018 is about the only thing on my computer with rounded corners I'm aware of, and I run a lot of software.
 Hows that for Ironic?


Regards,Joe
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From my perspective:

1. Rounded corners aren't exclusive to Windows apps.  Few apps use true 90 degree corners - they look too regimented.

2. Aside from capturing a rounded corner, I want to apply them on my captures even if they are not in the original.  Therefore I would like them as an edge effect. I don't want to have to have to workaround a simple need. 

3. The logic is clearly available, otherwise rounded shapes wouldn't be possible. Therefore. this is low hanging fruit
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Like what for example? Maybe some screen shots?

I'm not saying these things don't exist, but for all the programs I currently run. They don't.

Those rounded edge windows are nothing more than a PNG image. Stored within the program that launches them. 

Getting bugs fixed around here should be low hanging fruit.

After some thought. I did realize Dragon Naturally Speaking had a rounded corners Tool Bar.
But I never really capture it.



If I did I would do it on a solid background and use the Magic Wand  To get rid of the background.

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Here are a few chosen at random.  Some obscure, some not so much.


I think we have a different definition of low hanging fruit Joe. :)  I take it to mean, easy to fix because a block of similar code already exists that could be repurposed.  I agree bugs should be a priority but that doesn't mean they're easy.
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Those are not rounded Windows or Pop Up menus or even Tool Bars. They are images/menus baked into a larger UI. 

WinSnap adds transparency to the outer edge of things like the Windows 7 Calculator. Not the individual keys on the keypad.  

SnagIt can't differentiate between a Icon or rounded symbol like you are pointing out. Nor can WinSnap I'm willing to bet.

You have Photoshop Elements. You must realize what it takes to get a good selection of something like that within a screen shot.

If SnagIt "Could and Did" sense every little Icon and shape automatically.
Think about it. It would probably be unusable.It it locked onto any and everything. Except what you want.

It already does that to me a little bit at times. Like on Program UI's. It want's to grab the top of the UI and I want to capture 2 Windows. SO I have to capture Full Screen and Slice and Dice/ Crop instead.
I do that in Photoshop because it's much easier to do than in SnagIt. 

That's a job for Smart Move or Magic Wand.
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I agree there's a difference between a modal window and an html rendition but that doesn't alter the fact that these items AND modal windows could be captured if there was a user definable edge pattern for radiused corners with a variable pixel based degree of radius, that could be stored as a preset.

And if you could vary the degree of radius post capture that'd be good too.

I think that would address the needs both of the OP and me (and others)
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Seems to me that regardless of how you slice it, there won't ever be a way to truly capture an odd shaped area. The final image will always have to be a rectangle. Sure, you can use the Advanced option to capture freehand and draw a curved area, but you ultimately end up with a rectangular image in the end. It's just that parts of the image are rendered as transparent.

What would seem to be the answer (to me, anyway) is for SnagIt to have an option that was able to detect edge differences and just render anything outside that edge area as transparent.

Now I do believe it is already able to detect edges somehow. Because as you move that selection around, it does know how to "lock onto" different areas of a dialog. Of course, how that is done is way beyond my current ability to comprehend. But logic tells me the process definitely isn't looking at something like color differences. If it were, capturing an image from a google search would be a piece of cake because of the typically surrounding dark color.



I do agree with you that it would be nice if a way could be devised to offer that capability so that one just ends up with a selection where transparency is applied to the area outside what you have selected. In the example above, it would be the dark area as well as the surrounding corners.

My gut tells me that if we were able to define a radius, it wold be nothing but trouble, as that radius would likely change between captures.

Fun stuff, eh? ;)

Cheers... Rick :)
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Yes Rick, that's the sort of thing I was talking about and as for the varying degrees of radius between captures, I think that's fairly easily dealt with by a user interaction at the time of capture.  You select a preset for rounded corner capture.  Then, when you draw your region or select your window, you have an intermediate step where you define the number of px of radius

Or, you do it all post capture with an edge effect that allows you to do exactly the same.
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It would be a selection tool modification if you ask me.

It's  a clunky bit to pull off in Photoshop. You have to guess at how many pixels to Smooth the corners with. You gotta really want that perfect extraction to put yourself through all that.
For myself personally, I ignore 2 or 3 pixel  corners like that on images. I see it when I create SnagIt compilation instructions. If there going to look really bad and stand out for some reason, there's already lots of ways to get rid of then in a hurry. But who heck nit picks screen shots to death? Eraser is easiest for elimination of a few pixels.Just zoom in tight and erase them.

If someone adds it as a feature request it can be voted on.
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WRT: But who heck nit picks screen shots to death? 

I can attest that Adobe does. Or did. I've done technical articles for them where screen shots were a huge issue and caused me grief with their editors. ;)
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So then you use the tools available to clean up the edges. It's not that difficult. That or don't attempt technical articles.
I can see why they would reject sloppy work. That's not a dig, that's just Adobe keeping their content professional.
What's wrong with that?
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LMAO, the work wasn't sloppy. Moreover, the images simply weren't to their liking. I believe I had supplied some pictures of dialogs of their own product that were very busy and I had used the blur tool in SnagIt to "clear the clutter" so only the area of interest for the article stood out. 

Yeah, I get that they have certain "standards", but when you are solicited to create an article, you create it and submit it as requested, THEN it starts getting picked apart it's quite frustrating.
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Let's agree on what this request is and then I'll add it.  

To me it's clearly an edge effect.  I can have feathered edges, I can have sawn, serrated or torn edges. so why can't can't I have edges that have a half radius of n at each end?
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Paul,
I don't disagree with your desire to "apply rounded corners to an existing capture", but it's different from the intent of my original post.  To clarify, if a window already has rounded corners and the area selected was a "Window" region detected by Snagit, I was hoping that Snagit could capture them the way WinSnap does.  I was hoping for this to happen at the time of capture, not post.

I think you would like to have a preset edge effect available to apply rounded corners to any capture.  It is probably better for you to start a new thread and leave a link to it here.  An article titled "Request:  Rounded Corner Effect" might get more attention.  


Is a rounded corner an effect that belongs in the "Edges" category or the "Border" category??

I'm not using Windows 10 so I haven't noticed if some window edges still appear rounded from non-Microsoft applications.  Joe does make a good point that my capture request could be a short lived feature.  A rounded corner Effect though would be useful regardless of what OS is being used.
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Agreed.  That was my intention. 
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Hi all

Personally, I would think of it as an edges effect. And if it existed among the other edge effects, it could be added to a capture profile so it also could be applied at the time of capture.

I dunno, this whole conversation is making me edgy! 

Cheers... Rick :)
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Bordering on insane?
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First, you need to make a selection of what you want to put a radius on.
Not every case, but in many situations.

Be it a Icon, Pop up window, image within an image. Either way, you need to define the boundary's of a selection first.
So you need to start with the rectangular  selection tool. The same workflow as Photoshop.

Get the selection right. And apply a radius based on pixels.
It's always a bit of a crap-shoot as every image is of a different resolution in most cases.
10 didn't work here as shown.


15 looked pretty good.


Auto select is better with outside borders.  WinSnap recognized alpha and didn't select it.

Theres no magic bullet for selections and radius. But I think Select first and apply radius is probably as good as it gets.
Sorry, I have to side with Adobe on this. It's hard to argue with the company that shows everyone else how it's done in most cases.

Smart Move works great on some things.I've been experimenting with it.Provided you only want the image with the radius. "You're not out to salvage the rest of the image"
You just apply Smart Move and Copy to another image.

Magic Wand works pretty good with some practice. It's a little clunky compared  to Photoshops. But I've been using Photoshops for years and it's behavior is more predictable to me.   
 
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