Extend frame without losing timing between audio tracks and video track?

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Is it possible to extend frame without losing timing between audio tracks and the video track further down the timeline?

Or in other words, can extend frame push the audio further down the timeline as well as the video?

I tried to also select my audio track segments so I could move them all down the timeline together so as to not lose their relative spacing, but it appears I cannot do that either.
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  • thinking this may not be possible.

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HI Caleb,
I don't see what product you are using or what version. However, I will assume you are referring to Camtasia Studio, 7.1.

In that case, when you extend a frame in CS, it splits the audio and pushes it down the timeline, keeping it in sync with the video.

You can see that occur in this short video:
http://screencast.com/t/tp9om1E6

I hope this helps,
Kelly
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Yes, it is CS 7.1.1.

Ok, I see that it does work if you create a new extended frame section. However, if you modify the duration of an existing extended frame section, the audio tracks are not moved further down the timeline.

I did not think of trying to delete and then recreate the extended frame section that I had. Maybe have a check box option in the Extend Frame dialog that specifies whether to "Preserve synchronization with audio tracks" so the user has flexibility...

Thanks.
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Camtasia Studio: how do you keep the Audio 2 track and Callouts moving in synch with the rest of the video if you extend a frame in the middle of the video?

It seems to me that if you import audio or put callouts after a location (e.g. at 3 minutes) and then you extend a frame (e.g. at 2 minutes), they don't move forward in time with the rest of the video, and you have to manually move them forward one by one to get them synched again; or else you have to produce the entire video before extending the frame, then bring the produced video in as a new project and then extend the frame, but that means you can't edit these callouts and audio clips etc. any longer because now they are all part of the new imported video itself.

I tried the concept of "locking" these tracks but that seems to prevent me from extending the frame.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Keeping Audio and Callouts in Synch when extending frame in the middle.
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I am also having this issue but also with video. If I crop a portion of video in the middle, the video further along does not adjust so I have to manually realign all video clips after that section on the timeline. Is there a way to not have to do this?
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You are correct that any change you make in the video (whether it be shortening it, extending it, or inserting a clip in the middle of it, or removing a clip from the middle of it) has no automatic effect on any of the items in the timeline after that point. It is possible with Camtasia Studio 8 to "select" all of the items in the timeline after that point with your mouse and drag all of them forward or backward in time, but if there are many items, it may be very difficult to get the precise distance to move them forward or backward in time by dragging your mouse.
I hope enough users bring this up to Camtasia so that they modify the program in a future version to allow for these elements to be automatically moved when something is added or subtracted from Track 1 of the timeline.
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Hello,
Can you let me know what version of Camtasia Studio you are using?

I will assume version 8?

If so, we no longer automatically move your timeline files/content for you. This is because you may have audio or other media on other timeline tracks that would get out of synch if we just willy-nilly pushed everything around to fill in gaps. This was a huge usability issue in version 7 and prior.

So, in the new workflow and process for using Camtasia Studio 8, it would be best to work from left to right making your edits as you go. Versus adding everything to the timeline at once then going back and doing your edits.

In your scenario, if you had cropped that video portion out before you added the other content to the timeline, then you would not have to move things. However, that is not always possible!!

So, you have a couple of options for getting things back together:

1. Zoom out on the timeline. Then Click and drag the mouse over the content on the timeline you want to move. It will all become selected. Then, grab it and move it into place.


2. Press the Shift key on the keyboard and click on each media.

I hope this helps. We know getting used to the new workflow in Camtasia Studio 8 will take a bit of getting used to!

Kelly
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Dear Kelly,

Thank you for your reply.

I am using version 8.0.2.

I understand that in version 8.0.2 it is necessary for the user to move
these items around manually that previously were moved automatically in
version 7.

It turns out to be difficult to select all of the items after a particular
point in time using either of the methods you specified (dragging your
mouse or click-shift) if one has a great number of items in the project
and if one has a great number of clips on the timeline. I had a project
in which I had 50 clips from a wedding extending over an hour. In order to
select everything after someplace in the middle, I have to zoom out the
timeline in order to be able to see all of the items and grab them. But
once I do that, the clips in the middle are so short (narrow) that it is
difficult to precisely place the mouse at exactly the clip I want to start
at. It would also be extremely tedious to shift click dozens of items. So
instead I have to zoom it in partially, grab some of the things at the
end, drag them down in time, back up closer to the middle, grab those
items and move them down, etc. then I have to move everything back once I
have extended the frame in the middle and make sure that everything is
tight so that there are no gaps, which requires zooming in so that I am
sure there are no gaps. This is all very time consuming and error-prone.
in Camtasia Studio 7, I could simply extend the frame and all of the clips
after it would move the correct distance forward without creating any
gaps. Or I could shorten a clip in the middle, and all of the clips after
it would move backward the correct distance in time, leaving no gaps. You
have to understand how much easier that is.

I understand that it is preferable to edit the project from left to right
as you go along, rather than for example putting all the clips in place,
and then adding callouts and audio etc., then having to go back and move
things around if you need to change something in the middle.

However, even the most careful user of your program who has acted in such
a fashion still might decide at some point before the project is complete
that something needs to be added, deleted, extended, or whatever in the
middle of the project. Or that user might decide that an update of the
same video needs to be done six months later and something needs to be
changed in the middle of the project to reflect the updated information. I
would think that this is a very common scenario.

I continue to fail to understand why you would not want to have your
program automatically move everything in all of the tracks forward or
backward in time that have already been synchronized with all of the other
video when a user decides to extend a frame, insert a clip, lengthen or
shorten an existing clip somewhere in the middle of the project. Why
should all of these other items remained stationary in time rather than
move forward or backward to remain synchronized with the things they have
already been lined up to synchronize with? I have seen other video editors
which behave exactly as I am describing, rather than the way that Camtasia
Studio 8 is behaving, and it seems to me to be much more logical and
intuitive and less work on the part of the user.

in other words, if I have a video which has a callout which is designed to
appear at exactly 2:00, when a particular clip begins, and then I decide
that the clip at 1:00 is slightly too short and I need to extend the frame
an additional second, why would I want the callout at 2:00 to remain at
2:00 rather than automatically be moved forward to 2:01 so that it starts
still at the beginning of the clip which is now at 2:01? What user would
want the program to behave in such a way? What is the advantage of having
the program behave in such a way?

If you think some users would in fact want your program to behave in such
a way, could you at least have an option built into the program where
those users who want it to behave in such a way can choose to have it do
so, whereas other users like myself who want it to behave the way I am
describing would allow it to behave in that fashion instead?

Think about a word processor. Would you tell a user of a word processor to be sure to write the document working from start to finish, without making changes in the middle? If the user had to make changes in the middle, would you expect the user to have to mark all of the text after the change spot as a block, drag that block of text "down", make the change, mark that dragged block of text again, and drag the block back "up" until it was exactly after the change spot, instead of having the word processor simply move the text after your change spot automatically? I know your product isn't a word processor but I think the analogy is apt.

Sincerely,

Charles R Welford M.D.
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Charles,

Absolutely couldn't have said it better myself. It's ludicrous to suggest otherwise. and if it worked in v7 then why can't we have it in v8?

At the moment, it's just got to be the most tedious and drawn out aspect of the program. Whereas once I looked forward to using Camtasia, I now dread it.

As a workaround, I use v7 to do exactly as we want it to work and then import the project in to v8 if I need any of the 'improvement's v8 has to offer. However, this is prone to problem too as it often crashes with a v7 import.
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ms, I do the same thing, Using both programs to preserve features removed or tedious without- I use 7 for the pan and zoom slant feature, and for optomizing the voice, and into 8 for callouts as it can handle larger files better- I will be using both 7 and 8 for the forseeable future as if they are two extensions of the same program :) I don't import the files as it doesn't always turn out well, but rather render the project out, move it to 8 and make further edits from a static video (usually effects can be combined with this too!)... it sucks some of the things they changed but so long as 7 keeps working I'll use both- finding out more and more some features may never be available in 8+ and 7 sucks for handling larger files...
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I wholeheartedly agree. I'm not sure how others use it and all the different scenarios, but I'd like there to be options to use it one way or another. I understand how things could get out of sync by pushing things around and "filling the gaps", and if I remember correctly that or some functionality sometimes threw me off in v7 (at least until I got used to it). But can't it work so that the gaps remain while everything else gets pushed?

Some of the new functionality is handy, but really not the fastest way to get things done, at least in my workflow.
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realistically, if you just take some time to get used to it you'll find that it's incredibly efficient the way it is. Sure you have to "learn" to do things a bit different but how hard really is it to click drag highlight and put the lot into a "group" them push it over in one slide, move what you need in then slide it back- the time the features save will be made up in the extra work you perceive you have to do- in the end the way it is saves time if you train yourself in the slightly new way to do things.

If you want a feature they removed, just open 7 and do it there, render and continue in 8 or do it like you make a real movie, and plan it out so you do everything you need to do in 7 first then move to 8 for the bulk of the work. The only things I need 7 for now are voice optimization, and I like the old way of tilting a screen that I haven't yet figured out how to do in 8, but the things 8 does that helps me take more control over my experience is incredibly cool- with some training - this new version is 200% better than 7 and it doesn't crash my PC, I like that you can actually save a project once it's bottom half freezes up- what's up with the bottom half freezing up?

Jerrico
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You are correct that it is relatively easy to mark a small number of objects toward the end of a project as a group, move them, and move them back. But if you work with large projects, with dozens of different items, including various video clips, audio clips, etc., etc., it is not at all easy to mark just the ones starting at a particular point in time with your mouse. I have worked on projects with 50 video clips and believe me it is not easy to pick out the exact spot where you want to extend one of them and mark all of them with your mouse.
It is not enough of a solution to create it in version 7, render it, and then put it into version 8. What if, six months later, you want to make some changes? It is not a simple matter at that point to make the changes and preserve everything else the way you want it to be. It also is quite time-consuming to render the entire thing twice, once in version 7, then again in 8, again assuming we are talking about a lengthy video, such as 30-60 minutes. If you are talking about a 3 minute video, of course this is not an issue.
I think this whole thing is like telling someone who owns a word processor that if they want to change something in the middle of the document, they have to mark everything past that word with their mouse, drag the rest of the document down, move their mouse back to the middle of the document, type their changes in the middle of the document, mark the remainder of the document again with their mouse, and drag the remainder of the document backwards again so that it exactly matches up with the change that you made. I don't think a word processor that required all of that effort would stay on the market very long.
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I have one of those projects. I want to insert something at the beginning and push all the audio to the right as well. I have dozens of clips following. Selecting them all (even the drag and select way) is a real pain. Would be nice to have some special feature to do this even if it's not default behavior. (Currenlty using c8.0.3 ...which is the latest to date).
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FYI 8.0.4 was released 2 days ago

to make some space on timeline, make a timeline selection, right click selection, and choose add time

space [time] added = selection
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ooooh..... I was always trying extend frame...This works in 80.3 too...it's called insert time. THANKS
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THANK YOU for adding or pointing out this feature!!! I assume it was added after 8.0.1 or else no one pointed its existence out before. I don't see it specifically discussed in the help file when I search for "insert time".
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In my mind the "Extend frame" functionality behaves really strange and not as a normal user expects. Would be much better to move all tracks to the right automatically so that the timing does not get lost. The "insert time" functionality does not help here, because I don't want empty space inserted. I don't see in which case it might be useful to move only one track when extending a frame.
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I want to fill in a gap in a track by extending (and subsequently stretching out) a frame WITHOUT bumping the following clips down the line. Can't figure out how do it without "producing special" >frame, then adding that image to the clip bin, inserting in place, etc. It seems like I should be able to use the playhead selectors and just "extend frame" to get the result looking for.
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Unless I am misunderstanding what you're asking, you can simply extend the frame the default of 1 second, then use your mouse on the right edge of that extended frame and drag it to the right until it reaches the left edge of the subsequent clip. That does not end up moving the subsequent clip forward in time. (This assumes that you want to extend the frame at least 1 second; you can extend the frame for as little as 0.1 second by typing that number into the box when you activate the extend frame command).
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Like I said, I would think that is the way it should work. Except it doesn't. The clips shift on me. Not when I drag, but they shift 1s on the initial "frame extend" command execution. But only the clips on the affected track. Clips on other tracks remain in place. That's how I discovered the error.
I'm running 8.0.3.
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move the clip you want to extend frame for to another track with no clips to right

then extend and adjust length

drag back to original track [slot]
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I am running version 8.0.4
I see that I am in good company.
I want to do a real simple thing. There are couple places in my nearly complete project where I have been asked to to extend the frame so the viewer had more time to absorb the content. I copied the frame and extended the new clip forward. and moved everything to the right of the clip down the timeline.
This didn't work.
Though it was tedious, I read through all the previous comments here hoping for an answer. I haven't seen one.
It's seems to me this should be a very simple thing to do - create a clip, insert it and extend it - by doing so adding time to the timeline. Push all content on all tracks to the right of the extended clip by the same amount. C'mon.
What did I miss?
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Dear Joel,
If you want to move all content on all tracks to the right of a given spot on the timeline to make room for the extended clip:
1. Place the playhead at the location on the timeline where you plan to extend the frame and wish to move everything forward. (e.g. say 1:00)
2. Drag the red button on the right edge of the playhead to the right for the length of time that you wish to move everything forward in time (to the right), creating a blue rectangle across the timeline extending from the green edge of the playhead to the right edge of the playhead (i.e. from 1:00 to 1:05 for a 5 second gap).
3. Place your mouse somewhere within this blue rectangle and click your right mouse button.
4. Choose "Insert time" from the menu. You will now notice a gap has been created in your video consisting of the space of the blue rectangle and everything in every track has been moved to the right for the width of the blue rectangle.
(As an alternative, you can simply place the playhead where you wish to extend time, hold down the button on your computer, and simply drag the gray playhead to the right with your mouse as much as you wish to insert a space in time; this also moves everything to the right in all tracks; this is even easier than steps 1-3).
5. Insert somewhere within the newly created space on one of the tracks the extended material you wish to insert. Or click on one of the tracks to make it the highlighted object, press you are right mouse button, and choose Extend frame (or press the "E" button on the keyboard).
6. This is not quite as easy as dragging and dropping a clip onto the timeline in version 7, but it is much easier than the method required in version 8.0.1.
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Please Camtasia, ASAP make sure that "Extend frame" moves all tracks to the right automatically so that the timing does not get lost. ... I too, as Torsten,  don't see in which case it might be useful to move only one track when extending a frame?
Like Joel it is for me quite often that "There are couple places in my nearly complete project where I have been asked to to extend the frame so the viewer had more time to absorb the content."
 /Thank you for looking into this and solving it ASAP Kind regards Maria
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Please Camtasia, ASAP make sure that
"Extend frame" does move all tracks to the right automatically so that
the timing does not get lost. I too, as Torsten above,  don't see in which
case it might be useful to move only one track when extending a frame?
Like Joel it is for me quite often the case that "There are couple places in my nearly complete
project where I have been asked to to extend the frame so the viewer had more
time to absorb the content."
 /Thank you for looking into this and solving
it ASAP.  Kind regards Maria (8.1.2)