FLV and SWF Output File Types... Taken Away Again??

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I cant believe it. Someone at Techsmith again took away the ability to produce FLV and SWF files in Studio 8!!! They did this last time TOO and then re-instated it later. I am unable to use Camtasia 8 without the ability to create these 2 formats in the work I do. Im disappointed to find this out. Doesnt this decision maker person at Camtasia like to make money for the company??
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Ray

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  • disappointed at the take away mentality

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Richard Campbell, Champion

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There are very legitimate reasons for dropping these two file formats - The lead developer of Camtasia listed all the reasons in a previous posting to this forum. I am sure someone will post the link later.
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Ray

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Would love to hear them...I got bombed out of being able to produce my business videos in the previous last release...because someone thought it was a good thing to take away business valuable formats. These formats might be dead in Seattle but they are quite alive still throughout the world to many, many people who still have to produce them. HTML 5 might still be catching on...but there is little reason to eliminate valuable formats that are still alive and many customers still have to produce to them. Their lead developer just lost some cash-flow revenue on Studio 8 here...because of this take-features-away mindset.
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Mike Curtis, Employee

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Hello,
This was our rationale behind removing these formats: http://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmi...

Sorry you relied on FLV. Are you sure we can't make MP4 work? In a lot of cases it will work as well or better.

Mike Curtis
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The LMS I have to use at work doesn't support MP4. If I want it to play I have to convert them to FLV.
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Kevin Linehan

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The LMS I have to use at work doesn't support MP4. If I want it to play I have to convert them to FLV.
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Doug R

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I believe your reasoning for dropping SWF support is flawed, unfortunately. It might be valid to promote MP4 these days for many general use cases, but you are overlooking a very important one that is negatively impacted by this decision. Above, Mike says "In a lot of cases it (MP4) will work as well or better (than flash)".... well, guess what, in a lot of cases it doesn't! There are reasons that every mainstream authoring tool for elearning, like Arcticulate, Adobe, iSpring, and just about every other one you can think of, includes or defers to SWF output as a standard, with OPTIONS for HTML5/Apple-mobile compatibility.

Here's one key flaw (there are others) in your thought process, and in your understanding of your market:

When Camtasia is NOT used for heavy video content, but is instead used for showing mostly static slides (with occassional annotations and video screen cap demos mixed in -- these are the reasons I'm using Camtasia), the file size for SWFs turns out to be MUCH SMALLER than MP4s, just the OPPOSITE of the broad claim you make about SWFs being much larger in size. This is because SWFs handle static content MUCH more efficiently than MP4, by simply being smart enough to not include/replicate frame after frame of video data when nothing is changing, as is the case for many frames in slideshows.. So, your decision to drop the SWF export option now forces my slide-oriented productions to have BIGGER files with LONGER download times.

Furthermore, in Camtasia 7, long slides with narration that included callouts resulted in some loss of sync (when using MP4) between the appearance of the callouts and the associated audio/video -- the longer the clip, the worse the sync problem became... This was never a problem when exporting to SWFs. I don't know if this has been resolved in 8, but if it hasn't been, that's another strike against the decision.

So, I'd say you did not think this through very well for the use cases I mention, which are probably more common than you realize, especially in the eLearning community where flash is (and still needs to be) alive and well whether we like it or not. Not every project uses Camtasia for pure video, and not every project cares about targeting flash-phobic Apple devices. .

I hope you can broaden your thinking on this.

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