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Camtasia is extremely lacking when it comes to framerates, if you have a 25fps video, you have to edit it in 30fps, yet when you want to render it in 25fps the video it renders skips frames due to the fact you have edited in 30fps.

I am officially requesting Camtasia update their software to support any all major framerates (23.98fps, 25fps, 29.98fps, 30fps, 60fps & higher) while editing & keep up with the video editing standards of other software's. It is annoying that I have to render at 30fps instead of using the original framerate of the video as the quality decreases this way & frame blurs occur etc.
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I’d LOVE to support your Idea. I casted a vote of support initially and removed it less than 5 minutes later. Sorry about that.

Here’s why. TechSmith added 60fps timeline editing to Camtasia 2018. The Recorder doesn’t officially support 60fps recording. Which leaves you pretty much to importing 60fps media from other sources.

Well, I have a Nvidia Graphics Card. If I don’t disable it.60fps footage from my Nikon DSLR and Shadow recordings are washed out in the canvas area and rendered vides as well. Essentially making the most popular line of graphics card on the market “USELESS” thanks to the addition of 60fps editing. Working with the timeline at 30fps doesn’t make the footage look any better

My card works without issues in Camtasia 8 which is becoming quite dated and Camtasia 9. Yet broken in the newest version???

If they were to introduce even more timeline frame rates. I hate to think what would go wrong?

They only seem to care that. trec recording works. Because there unaffected. So what? There 30fps?

Here’s what those washed out videos look like. Yes, I’ve been in contact with support. “More than Once”. It’s quite inexcusable from my perspective, after 10 months, there’s no sign the needles moving towards a fix or it will be resolved. This should have been fixed Last Year!

Regards, Joe





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Can you please tell me how your response has any remark on editing in different framerates? All I see is you complaining about the graphics?

You should always keep your videos at the original framerate they were recorded in, changing them causes frame blur's or skipping frames? I do a lot of editing for TV shows & films, so I must have them at a certain framerate, but Camtasia require's you to edit & render at 30fps unless you want frames to be skipped or have frames blurred together.

If it doesn't get sorted, I may just end up forgetting about Camtasia & moving to After Effects where I can edit & render in the videos original framerate.
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How does my response have any remark on editing in different framerates? Your requesting a feature.

I’m pointing out basic facts. That TechSmith broke Camtasia 2018 for me when they added 60fps.

I was merely attempting to give you some insight into this requesting. And how they blundered the addition of 60fps.

 Why adding more fps choices could be a huge mistake from my perspective. And why I can’t support it. Sorry you misinterpreted my point {:>(  

I was adding my opinion to this thread as well. And I stand by it.

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Sorry, I understand your views on breaking things by adding 60fps - but that sounds like a bug they need to fix.

This feature request is specific to editing in multiple frame rates, nothing to do with recording or screen capture.

Maybe you need something more dedicated to screen capture/recording? I have never used the screen recorder built into Camtasia, so I don't have an opinion on it.
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I think the issue is that Camtasia was designed originally to capture the screen; this meant that the rate of fps would be 30 (or, now, 60).  Of course, the Studio component was designed to permit editing the screen captures.  More features were added (extending still frames, more sophisticated callouts, etc.)  In recent years, Camtasia use has expanded and it is now used for everything from audio podcasts to video editing, and users are demanding the features and functions of audio editing programs and video editing programs.  This is where I assume the request for different frame rates arises.

At this point, perhaps TechSmith needs to decide whether Camtasia is going to become a full video editor (in which case it currently falls short in features but excels in simplicity) or back off and return to screen captures.  I think that increased editing and output flexibility would help (choosing VBR vs CBR, data rate, etc.).  In addition, Camtasia no longer supports as many input or output formats (e.g. Sony camera HD video must be pre-processed for Camtasia but not for other editors, and we're still waiting for the grand return of MP3).

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I'm awaiting for the grand return of .mp3 as well, even more encoding options, like .mov & .avi & .wmv or even the upcoming .webm

They advertise Camtasia as a screen recorder, but they also advertise it as a video editor, I love the simplicity of Camtasia, that's why I'm annoyed at the lack of support for editing in major frame rates (23.98, 25, 29.98, 30 & 60 min).
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For my Tutorials and Camtasia projects "I Can and Do" import all kinds of video content. I don't work strictly with .trec.
I've got better things to do than covert my footage to a format Camtasia likes with HandBrake or any other program.

TechSmith has a habit of letting some bugs go forever.The one I'm referring to, seems to have made the list.

As advertised, 2018 introduced faster rendering utilizing the graphics card.
Not if can't use my Nvidia graphics card.Not when the project contains footage from a Nikon DSLR Camera,ShadowPlay Recordings,and other forms of media.
The media doesn't have to be 60fps. 30fps is washed out as well.

And bonus, timeline playback will no longer have the benefit of graphics card acceleration.Not if you've disabled the card.
 
I don't normally take a stance against ideas. So I'll even vote for this one.

However, Camtasia 2019 is coming. Yet 2018 is still broken, which means no maintenance updates for 2018 after 2019's release.
Leaving 2018 broken for eternity for a lot Nvidia card owners.And that's just wrong.


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Nathan -
No video software in the world works with 23.98, 25, 29.98, 30 & 60 frame rates SIMULTANEOUSLY, None.
SW can suck in 23.98, 25, 29.98, 30 frames but MUST spit out only one, presumably 30 fps.
Or SW can suck in 23.98, 25, 29.98, 30, 60 fps but MUST spit out only one, presumably 60 fps.
Camtasia is computer software so it WILL RENDER at a computer video frame rates, 30 & 60 fps dictated by the video card's driver.
So, exactly what are you working with, and what are you trying to create?






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I don't expect to SIMULTANEOUSLY have different frame rates while editing, that is impossible, yet having the option to edit in these frame rates is a must! Yes Camtasia a computer software, the editing frame rates are not dictated by the computers video cards driver, Camtasia only provide 30fps & 60fps for editing videos in.

My request it allow EDITING videos in any frame rate, so users can edit in 25fps or 23.98fps, or even 29.98fps, a lot of TV Stations still broadcast in 25fps while a lot of music videos still shoot in 23.98fps, so being able to EDIT these videos in the videos original frame rate is a MUST!
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I think of 29.97 and 23.976 fps as acetate film rates and should only be used by specialty h/w and s/w to covert to a digital format - a nothing burger until you consider re-syncing the audio. 50 fps is a European "broadcast" standard, not digital.
I didn't realize YouTube even allowed "film" fps rates, can you point me to one?
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Most music videos are 23.98fps or 25fps & in the UK majority of TV broadcasts are 25fps. Only recently with HD Channels becoming more popular are they becoming 50fps & 60fps. YouTube allows videos of all frame rates from 1fps up to 120fps currently.

Yet that isn't the point, we should be able to edit videos in a certain frame rate, specially frame rates native to the original video, which was the point of this idea.
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On the other hand, the pulldown needed to get film to digital is successfully handled in most pro-level video editors.
Regarding YouTube:  If you publish to YT the server will convert whatever you hand off into a format that is YT friendly.  I uploaded a "standard" (old!) resolution 480 file and YT accepted it -- and produced a fascinating, artifact-filled video clip from the source material.
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Again, people are missing the point of the idea/feature, regardless of what is being edited, we should be able to edit in frame rates other than just 30fps or 60fps so we can retain the original frame rate of the video.
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Hi Nathan

If Camtasia were being marketed as something that is intended to compete with Premiere Pro or other general video editors, I think many of us might agree with your point. 

When I look at the Camtasia page at:

https://www.techsmith.com/video-editor.html

I see nothing on that page where Camtasia is being hailed or suggested as a substitute or replacement for any of the other video editors out there. What is on this page seems to suggest to me that the primary focus of Camtasia is to Record the screen, then edit that recording to embellish what you have recorded and produce it. 

The fact that Camtasia does allow for importing videos recorded elsewhere is secondary at best.

I might imagine that your request for different frame rates might be looked at by the development team as a "nice to have", but because it would seem to deviate from the core mission of Camtasia, I'd be willing to bet that at best, it would be one of those "back burner" suggestions. 

Note that I'm not saying your suggestion isn't valid, but I think that you might be better off choosing a different editing software for your specific needs, as I think you will likely just find yourself frustrated with Camtasia.

Cheers... Rick :)

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I don't know if we're missing your point, or if you're unclear, or if we're failing to explain the disconnect in terms that make sense to you.

Most pro editors will accept various frame rates including broadcast and film rates; their output options vary, and many (most?  all?) of them can spit out the same frame rate as the original.  This is not what Camtasia was designed to do.

As mentioned above, Camtasia was designed to capture 30fps computer screen areas.  It basically eats 30fps for breakfast.  It was not designed to serve as a format converter or professional editing system.  It lacks plug-in options, color correction, a robust library of visual effects, transitions, etc.  But it is fast, simple to use and relatively inexpensive.

Even if Camtasia takes in a 24fps piece it will output only 30fps or 60fps, which appears to be the issue for you.  Since Camtasia doesn't do what you want, at this point it's a bit like using a hammer to insert a screw.
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Of course you should be able to find software that will edit videos of any frame rate.
BTW, just downloaded (YT): The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again (Live at Kilburn 1977)[1080P]
@29.97 fps - the video and audio occupy a single track and are inseparable. I rendered the 9:10 video and the resulting MP4 file is @30 fps. AND I am able retain the original downloaded copy @29.97 fps.

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No, you misunderstand my idea/feature request all together, Camtasia is advertised as a video editor, whether a simple or advanced editor makes no difference. 

If I import a video which is 25fps, I should be able to edit it at 25fps with call outs, animations etc & render it at 25fps. I should NOT have to import a 25fps video, edit it at 30fps & render it at 30fps.

Ed, you have rendered the video at 30fps, which means you have not retained that 23.97fps which means that 0.03fps will frame blur, which is again my point of retaining the ORIGINAL frame rate of the video that I import.

I don't understand how you do not understand this feature request, it is plain & simple?
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Oh, I understand your request. I've read other requests that wanted Camtasia to be able to edit audio - just like Audacity (or Cool Edit Pro). I just don't want Camtasia to incorporate unneeded bloat which is how I see your request. Now if Tech Smith were to come out with a new version of  Camtasia that worked as you suggest, I wouldn't have to buy it (but you could) and we could both enjoy not owning bloatware.
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See, that is where our opinions are different, I believe being able to edit & render in the framerate that I choose is a requirement of a video editor.

I do agree that audio editing isn't needed in Camtasia as it is a video editor, I still use Cool Edit Pro 2.0 for all my audio editing.
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OK then, we agree to disagree.  I just don't get your insistence regarding retaining what I believe are obsolete frame rates.
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& there's me not getting why you wouldn't want to keep the original frame rate of your videos to prevent frame blurs.

Also @rick - the URL states it all, video editor... it is a screen recorder & a video editor, while it also states "The Best All-In-One", it doesn't state that the video editor is only for the screen recorder.
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Firstly, 24fps is the cinema frame rate, so that's not obselete. Secondly, 25fps and 50fps are not obselete either, because they are what a lot of countries use, due to having a different mains electricity frequency. There are two frequencies in the world: 50Hz and 60Hz. So, to take the US & the UK as examples, the US frequency is 60Hz, so your lights are at that frequency, and you need to film at 30fps and 60fps. The UK electricity frequency is 50Hz, which means our lights are at that frequency, and we need 25fps & 50fps. If I film in 30 or 60, I get a flickering picture.

So, if I shoot at a correct frame rate for my country, and then import into Camtasia, I then get the frame rate issues that Nathan gets. The fact is, that if Camtasia wants to be a well-selling program, outside of the US - which clearly Techsmith want it to be - then they need to add these frame rates, and it's not just the UK that uses 50Hz either. There's no question of agreeing to disagree here. All five frame rates are needed in any video editor, unless Techsmith want to make two different versions for different countries, with just three rates (cinema would be common to both), which somehow I doubt. 
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Hey Folks,

For the record, editing at 24 / 25 FPS are on the backlog--I will work hard to get it done as soon as possible, but cannot guarantee a timeline (I want them too). We are not planning to support drop-frame editing frame rates (only useful if you are producing for old school NTSC TV broadcast). In the future we may consider adding frame rates higher than 60 FPS if there is significant demand and adequate performance.

The move to 60 FPS editing in Camtasia is not the cause of the rendering bugs Joe is describing / showing. Over the last two years a major rewrite of the underlying decoding and rendering engine used by Camtasia has been underway. There's a dedicated team working on that engine. The goal is to tap into the huge advances that GPU technology has made over the last 15 years, move onto a modern AV stack provide by the OS and create a performant cross-platform rendering engine for Camtasia. A cross platform rendering engine will allow us to create user facing features more quickly and consistently. The changes in how the engine decodes video moves Camtasia to a much newer low-level technology stack provided by the OS. We are slowly rolling out pieces of this new engine over several years. Phase one saw us adding this new decoding stack and additional GPU accelerated rendering in Camtasia 2018 on Windows.

Joe is running into a bug based on specific hardware and video sources that we have not been able to duplicate internally until recently. We now have a machine where we can duplicate this and the rendering team assures me they are working on a fix. Turns out specific hardware GPU / decoding stack / source footage bugs are gnarly to diagnose and fix. We are working on it. My apologies. You can still fallback to software rendering mode in 2018 using app preferences which should behave exactly as Camtasia 9 does, and you should be able to edit at 60 FPS, but with no GPU acceleration. 
Hope this helps everyone understand where we are at.

Brooks
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Great to hear more framerate options (e.g. 25fps) are in your backlog... just a shame it has taken this long to implement.
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That's good to hear! A lot of people were reporting a washed out canvas. I'm far from a solo victim, you've had a support article for months.https://support.techsmith.com/hc/en-us/articles/360005120411-Camtasia-Windows-Video-Is-Washed-out-on-Canvas

I was told my support ticket was resolved and directed to that support article.I was less than satisfied with that response.

I even reported the problem during 2018 beta testing. So this news is long overdue.

So at least its not a unicorn any longer. {:>)
I can work with that.

Regards,Joe
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Brooks - that's great news, thanks. Ideally, you need to add 24, 25, and 50. Please see my comment above, at the end of the debate between Nathan & Ed, for details as to why.