Gradient Fade

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I would like to be able to apply a gradient fade effect over a portion of a video or image (FROM WITHIN CAMTASIA AND NOT ANY OTHER APPLICATION OR PRODUCT)  so they appear to blend or fade together. The effect would be like a gradient alpha channel except it could be selected from within CAMTASIA and applied to a video or image.
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have you tried using transitions or animations?

could you post an example showing the effect you are seeking?
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Yes I have already tried all available options from within Camtasia. I'm not talking about a transition or animation.
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then do you have an example of the effect that you can post here?
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Do you understand what an alpha channel is?
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I know its technical description; but I can only try to help further if you can post an example of what you are seeking; my thought is that perhaps there might be some way to simulate the effect in Camtasia [i.e., a workaround]

otherwise, I understand that Camtasia does not support alpha channel per se

forum member Joe Morgan posts here a lot re advanced video editing stuff; maybe reach out to him?
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Imagine two videos one above the other on the timeline.

The video on top has an alpha channel so that a portion of it is transparent.

Now imagine the alpha channel having a gradient transparency.

The effect would be essentially half of the video on the top track being seen on the left of the screen while the video below it would also be visible.

With the gradient alpha channel effect, the videos would be blended together as opposed to simply dragging them beside each other and having a sharp and defined split of each one.

No none of the available tools within Camtasia now allow this to be performed.
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my best guess based on your description

Gradient Blend 2018-07-09 60FPS
http://www.screencast.com/t/tOwA4klXq1
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No that's NOT it.
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This is a gradient bend example only on a image.

This is not possible in Camtasia with any of the options or effects.
Though Camtasia can use transparency (alpha ) there is not a way to create the effect
Not that I have yet discovered. I have experimented but you can't get a good transition fade
between the two clips. Having the option for masking in Camtasia would be helpful too.
:)
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Beat me to it Dubi
Here's another example.And no ,Camtasia doesn't have what it takes to do it.
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thanks guys for chiming in; I'm out
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Thanks Dubie and Joe for the excellent examples. Yes we need this feature in Camtasia. With it some really cool things can be achieved.
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Camtasia for Windows can't do it.
Now, Camtasia for MAC has Masking. So all bets are off on that platform. I've never used the MAC version and I don't know how flexible the masking is.But it has it.

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Interesting. Wonder why masking was left out of the Windows version?
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I'm back

after further study, the examples provided by Dubie and Joe enabled me to articulate a way to simulate gradient blend within Camtasia

the example production below used 2 MP4s containing aircraft action camera footage; B17 on left, B29 on right

for simplicity, I used a liner gradient in 20 steps; B17 = 100% opacity [0% transparency] left edge, 5% opacity [95% transparency] right edge; B29 = 100% opacity [0% transparency] right edge, 5% opacity [95% transparency] left edge

although a crude workaround, this approach can be refined to accommodate different gradient profiles and finer granularity 

Gradient Blend Aircraft Action Camera Footage
http://www.screencast.com/t/P25wAGVGE 
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Here's what a gradient fade should look like. I made this yesterday but  opted to just upload the center fade image I uploaded instead.
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Exactly Joe. Clean and smooth.
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The lines are an issue but I do appreciate the effort.
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the lines are artifacts caused by the editing process; can't do anything about them when working with action video clips; however, they can generally be mostly eliminated when doing a gradient blend between 2 images

currently doing another production, same media, but where the gradient is accomplished in the center third of the video frame [left/right thirds at 100% opacity]; still get lines, but they're spaced much closer and blend in more with the gradient effect
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Example Gradient Blend Aircraft Action Camera Footage Tight Centered Gradient
http://www.screencast.com/t/WHDaD11eRuk
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kayakman,

Look closely at the examples already shared. The effect is clean, smooth, professional looking.
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I understood that from the get-go

but since Camtasia does not offer alpha channel support, my simulated approach is a close as you're going to get

otherwise, perhaps use another software tool
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Kayakman,

I'm not interested in sloppy, unprofessional closeness. If this sounds harsh then I'm sorry. It's just that you seem defensive if what you offer as a solution isn't happily accepted. You should realize that many here are professionals who desire to present a professional quality of work. Your solutions don't offer such. Your continued comments about using something other than Camtasia defeats the spirit and intention of the reason the feature request was posted originally. 
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I'm definitely not defensive re my "workarounds"; I offer them in the spirit of "for what it's worth; take them, or leave them"; I really could care less

and my comments re "using something other than Camtasia" simply reflects what many others post on this forum when faced with a need that cannot be resolved with the current Camtasia [like advanced audio editing, clip reversal, etc.]; so when appropriate, I'll say so every time

sorry you consider my attempt to help to be "sloppy, unprofessional closeness"; but that's what "workarounds" often are

I assumed you posted the "idea" because you want or need that capability now; my experience with such ideas is that in can be years, if ever, before they are adopted by TechSmith; so I simply worked out the best approach I could conceive within current Camtasia constraints; I took your request as a challenge, and did the best I could

otherwise, best of luck with your screencasting going forward
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kayakman scroll up and read my original post, especially the part in ALL CAPS. I included that part especially for YOU after what happened with my previous post. I thought it would be clear enough to avoid a repeat.

You replied to my earlier post with something that was NOT what I was asking.

You then replied again to this post with things that are NOT what I asked for.

I could care less about anything other than what I'm asking about. If I wanted to use other applications to achieve my objective... I would Google them and spend the time to seek them out etc. I would then go to those related forums and post there! Understand? I posted here about CAMTASIA and nothing else. 

In my opinion when you post multiple comments that are not in response to what was asked and have nothing to do with it, you are confusing others and making it require much longer for those who will come along in the future and read through the exchange of comments. It's not necessary.

I could never present to a client what you posted. Consider that. Again, many here are professionals.

<<<I assumed you posted the "idea" because you want or need that capability now; my experience with such ideas is that in can be years, if ever, before they are adopted by TechSmith; so I simply worked out the best approach I could conceive within current Camtasia constraints; I took your request as a challenge, and did the best I could>>>

I posted the feature request because it is something I would like to see available in Camtasia. This is the reason for the forum section. It's actually very simple and straightforward. You come along and ignore what I posted, suggest other applications, and then belittle and degrade Techsmith all in the same post. I can't be alone in how this is viewed. However, I can only speak for myself. I know how I felt when I read each of your posts. 

I choose to live life with a positive attitude. You live yours however you like.
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as I posted above, the vertical lines are artifacts caused by manually scripting the gradient blend during editing; they cannot be completely eliminated

however, the appearance of any "lines" is influenced by the videos' content [light, dark], videos' motion [fast action vs. static], and the videos' placement on the timeline [relative to over/under]

I've made another test example; best viewed in full screen mode; the source media are 1920x1080 trecs captures; videos overlap 15% at the join line; gradient blend goes from 100% to 5% [from outside to in]

Example Gradient Blend Top Bottom Switch In Over Under Compare
http://www.screencast.com/t/lUIrqkHTLk

there is no audio; gradient blend scripted in 20 setps

still a workaround; but, until Camtasia supports alpha channel blending, for my purposes, it beats a blank
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the previous example used a 20 step gradient; here is the same comparison video using a 40 step gradient

Example Gradient Blend Top Bottom Switch In Over Under Compare 40 Step Gradient
http://www.screencast.com/t/NlV0bx3ps

the trend here is clear; if one was to use a 60 or 80 step gradient blend, there would probably be no visible discernible lines
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I also tried a 60 step gradient blend ...

Example Gradient Blend Top Bottom Switch In Over Under Compare 60 Step Gradient
http://www.screencast.com/t/E3K1yFGvaAf

virtually no noticeable lines
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made 2 more examples; both with just 2 videos side-by-side

Example Gradient Blend 50 Step-1920x1080x600High CNN On Top
http://www.screencast.com/t/rdvai8dwJZIe

Example Gradient Blend 50 Step 1920x1080x600High MSNBC On Top
http://www.screencast.com/t/vEUx2cVRx

these examples employ a 50 step gradient; more practical than 60 steps because opacity must be entered as a whole number value; 50 steps = uniform 2% change per step; 60 steps requires variable values per step [1%, 2%, 5%] in order to have 60 steps go from 100% to 2%

getting this right took some effort; but resulting project is now a template in Library; can now hot-swap video media using update media

I was also limited by how tight I could make the gradient; I used a 60 step grid overlay asset to align and define the video gradient steps; when scaling the width of the grid to a more narrow range, the editor would reach a point where the grid lines would no longer display, even with canvas at 300%
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What I'm looking for is NOT merely causing a small portion of each edge to have a transparent gradient. What I seek is to have two videos where each has a 50% gradient so that they blend together as one. Place them one over the other in the timeline and apply a gradient on the right HALF of the top one. Then you may have something!
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thanks for that clarification; that is easily accomplished with the technique applied in my current workaround
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My final example ...

Example Gradient Blend 100 Step Two 1920x1080 Videos Produced At 1920x600 With Tight Gradient
http://www.screencast.com/t/2J8EpUolfb

a 100 step gradient blend is the ultimate limit imposed by the editor, since gradient steps [opacity] must be defined in whole numbers

in this example, the gradient is the tightest allowed by the editor, since going tighter "disappeared" the grid overlay used to align all the scripted gradient points

if there are any "lines" here, I can't see them

of course, the gradient zone can be widened as desired
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Slightly off topic, but it would be funny to have CNN covering a story on one side, and Fox News covering the same thing on the other ;)
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pretty neat idea; real easy to do [if you grab the footage] because the videos used can be instantly swapped using update media; only challenge is the audio, with both sides talking, can't control one over the other
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Is there anyone here that can produce what I've asked for?
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hey Britt; my posts above and examples pretty much exposes how to accomplish this workaround; perhaps try building out a project that meets your particular specs?
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You have yet to do what I asked originally. All you have done is put two videos side by side and barefly fade the edge of each.  What part of two videos each 50% gradient ON TOP OF EACH OTHER so 50% of each video shows are you not understanding? ONE VIDEO FROM THE LEFT BLENDS INTO THE ONE ON THE RIGHT. NOT TWO VIDEOS SIDE BY SIDE WITH A VERY SMALL FADE BETWEEN THEM.
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I do understand what you want to see; what I'm suggesting is that YOU build out such a project yourself; it's not difficult; all you need is a grid overlay template [easy to make], and 2 video clips

I have been exploring this concept [experimenting] out of curiosity, and to determine what can be accomplished with the current Camtasia that reasonably simulates gradient blending [like in alpha channel support]

the examples I've made so far are orientated towards project templates that I might have some use for down the road [i.e. an inventoried solution]

but personally, I can see no need to the simple over/under arrangement you describe, so I've not invested the time to build out such a template to share by example
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DO NOT REPLY TO MY POSTS ANYMORE. YOU ARE AN ANNOYANCE.
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this is a public, user-to-user forum; I'll reply as I see fit
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You have issues.
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If you were a skilled video editor.
You would be doing this in another program and importing it into Camtasia.
Instead, you're berating a long time member of this forum. A Champion who was only trying to help you.
When I tried to assist you in another post. You gave me grief because you didn't like my suggestions. I decided I wasn't going to assist you after that.I changed my mind, responded to this post. Then you really jumped on kayakman way up this post.About a week ago.
Nobody owes you a thing. If anyone has issues, it's you.
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The issue is not whether or not I am a skilled video editor.

The forum post was asking for a way to do what I wanted in Camtasia. I don't know how to make this any more clear.

Which post is that Joe? I thought we had a friendly exchange.

If your suggestion is that the length of time a person has been on this forum somehow gives them the right to be vulgar and shout obscenities at me... well I would suggest you check your moral compass. 

What's the point of asking for ideas and suggestions for Camtasia if this is what happens when you do? It's a real turn off to an otherwise great tool.
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your call to my phone # a few minutes ago was out-of-line, and not in accordance with the terms or spirit of this user-to-user forum

if you feel aggrieved here, suggest you file a formal complaint with TechSmith; your calling me by phone this evening, then refusing to identify yourself, is inappropriate behavior under any circumstances; ordering me to "not reply" is ridiculous; I don't report to you; I don't work work for you

I recommend that you simply "IGNORE" any response posts on this forum that you don't like

primary intention here is to help, not harass; if you don't like the suggested help, then just ignore it and let it go
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1. I had a thought that perhaps a friendly call to you might help resolve the matter. However in the first 5 seconds I was met with G*d D*mn this and GD and F that etc. Your BLASPHEMY and repeated VULGARITIES, combined with your very obvious power trip control freak attitude spoke volumes about your true character. There just isn't any reasoning with you.

2. I was raised that if you have an issue with someone that you go to them direct and attempt to resolve it. I tried it that way and I was met with hostile, vulgar obscenities that nobody would appreciate. You had no interest in listening or hearing anything. All you wanted to do was yell obscenities at me and act like a real jerk.

3. As you very well know, I DID identify myself. In fact, you even repeated my name back to me. Then you come here and lie about it. Very telling.

4. I should be able to come here to the CAMTASIA forum and post an idea or comment about CAMTASIA without having you come along and tell me to go somewhere else and get other software etc. Techsmith asks for ideas, suggestions etc from its users about their products. Not only did you do this, but you also belittled Techsmith repeatedly in your posts. Having had an albeit brief conversation with you, I can easily see that you have issues.

FYI not everyone here wants you to come along and force your comments upon them. Especially when they aren't related to what they posted about to start with.

I hope there is a way for me to block your comments. It would clearly solve this for everyone. You sir need professional help.
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your characterization of the conversation is blatantly false, and I deny it entirely; but whatever, maybe you can offer a recording that proves otherwise; maybe my memory is failing here?  I won't bother to waste my time responding to your misstatements above; this conversation is far off topic

otherwise, and again, you should contact TechSmith and make your case
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Bob you and I both know that my description of the call is exactly how it happened. For you to come here and lie isn't surprising (based upon the call) however, it is very sad and disappointing that you feel you need to act this way. You should man up and own your behavior instead of attempting to covering it up here. If you feel you need to lie about it in front of the forum, that should confirm to you that it was very wrong of you in the first place.
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changed my mind; made 2 more examples; these will round out all the possibilities ...

Example Gradient Blend 100 Step Wide Center Weighted Gradient Two 1920x1080 Videos At 1920x650
http://www.screencast.com/t/OCQyoiocr

yellow lines at beginning mark gradient zone

Example Gradient Blend 100 Step Over Under Gradient Zone Cropped From Two 1920x1080 Videos At 1183x1080
http://www.screencast.com/t/9X2t8xt4lgu

made the 2nd for my good buddy Britt; should be exactly what he's been demanding?
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Hello all;

I wanted to step in here as it clear that the this thread has gone beyond the spirit of this user-to-user community forum. I appreciate the explanation of what Britt is looking for out of Camtasia and as mentioned a few times throughout, the gradient fade is not currently possible within Camtasia outside of a workaround or two. However the clear and hostile tones used within this thread are in direct opposition to our Community Guidelines and as such the thread will now be closed and votes will no longer be possible.
I strongly recommend posting a new thread that adheres to the community forums guidelines; to ensure your thread has the most exposure it can have (meaning more votes and more opportunity for the developers to add the function to the living backlog of community-provided feature suggestions) please be sure to be articulate regarding the idea as well as sharing any examples whether that be via screenshot or video, as it will help define the suggested feature. I would also like to politely remind the community that while there are a significant number of extremely knowledgeable and highly skilled users of TechSmith applications, users of varying skill levels within Camtasia and Snagit will come across these posts. Some user may not fully understand the idea without seeing an example and thus votes may be lost.

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