Hanging indents in Annotations/Callouts

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I am creating text boxes using the Callouts in Annotations. Because I needed bullets, I used <Alt>-0149 which I read about here. Now I want those text boxes to have a hanging indent so that the text on the second line aligns with the text, not the bullet. 

I did see in a question from 3 years ago that there was some way of doing this if I use Legacy Callouts. I don't seem to have anything called Legacy. I have a few categories of callouts but nothing called Legacy.

I'm using Captivate 2019. Anyone have suggestions?

  • This is what I want my text boxes to do. Interesting that this is an option in the forum. I'd love a similar feature in Camtasia! 
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the legacy callout type was removed in Camtasia 2019
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So I gathered. Any suggestions on how to get a hanging indent?
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Oh rats, I was using Legacy callouts all the time, because right-to-left languages like Hebrew don't behave nicely in the newer callouts. That was the "fix" I was told to use when I opened a Tech Support ticket - "Yes, we know there's a problem, just use the old callouts." And now they've taken them away!

I believe the text editor in Camtasia is very simple, and indented lists are beyond its capabilities.
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Yes, I think you're right. I'm going to have to think about formatting in a different way.
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I don't use legacy callouts any more, but perhaps this might be helpful ...

How To Get Legacy Callout With Bullets In Camtasia 2019 2019-10-07
https://www.screencast.com/t/8WrPb80PZ

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I have 2018 and it still has legacy callouts, but I don't see a way to create hanging indents. There is a padding option, which seems useful, but nothing that cries out "hanging indents." How do you create them with Legacy callouts?
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I always manually added spaces to do the alignment
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That's what I've been doing but as soon as something gets edited, all of those spaces have to be moved.
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I was always annoyed by the inability to create good looking bulleted lists in Camtasia. The new text formatter in 2018+ is worse, in my opinion, because it's even harder to control text size, format and placement.

My workaround, developed years ago with the old text editor: 
  1. Create a text box with the the sentences or phrases.
  2. Create a second one with only bullets. Kayakman's methods of creating bullets works fine. Note two callouts on the timeline.
  3. Make sure both text boxes are formatted to the same text size and font.
  4. Align both with text aligned at the top. NOTE: If you use align center, you will have less control of the alignment of each bullet next to each text paragraph.
  5. Align the boxes containing the bullets so each bullet is in the correct position.
Clunky, but it works.


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Actually, this works better than putting in the spaces though it is indeed clunky.
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did this with all new style callouts in Camtasia 2019; you can size the base bold-style callout [with the bullet points] and crop it as needed; the text callouts [one for each bullet] can be similarly resized;  everything is left aligned; group all and add to Library for reuse as needed

Keep Text Aligned By Using Bullets In A Group With Text Callouts 2019-10-08
https://www.screencast.com/t/DH3e5Zesv
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I'm guessing the mention of Captivate in the initial post is a typo?
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A previous boss always mixed up Captivate and Camtasia. My training efforts to change this behavior had been ineffective.
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Okay, I know that it's a pain for many that this is now kind of impossible to easily achieve in Camtasia without using a workaround. And I totally agree with those that say "But we shouldn't have to USE a workaround!" I get it. I really do. But until this is changed, workarounds are all we are left with, no?

I see that kayakman and David B. Demyan have created solutions for keeping it all in Camtasia. Hopefully that works for you.

One alternate thing to consider is to use something like Microsoft Word or Windows Wordpad. Create your list exactly as you want to see it, then use a screen capture tool such as SnagIt (assuming you have access to it) or the Windows Snipping Tool to capture the list as an image. Then use the image in Camtasia.

In Kayakman and David's methods, the text is still editable. And in this method, because you end up with an image, the text is not editable unless you also save the document file so you can edit it later and repeat the process.

Cheers... Rick :)
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Along the same line of complaining about the limitations of the Camtasia callouts, has anyone discovered a way to prevent text from autosizing when the box is made smaller or larger? Currently, I find myself either frequently changing the text back to the size I specified (which is the size I want!) or, sometimes, extending the length of the text box to prevent the resizing.

It would be nice to just turn this feature off, like you can in Powerpoint, as I never want to use it. I'm hoping there's a registry hack that will do just that.
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Theres no registry hack I'm aware of {:>(

Auto size text has it merits.
Myself? I hate it.

Legacy callouts maintained font size. TechSmith discontinued them in Camtasia 2019.

My take on it? Auto-size is a user friendly feature for amateurs.

Sadly, it hinders others and slows them down. Worse yet, few post complaints about this. Most seem content to fight through the disfunctionality. Embracing and/or endorsing workarounds. 

Brooks is looking at the matter.

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Official Response

Hello, here's a feature improvement we're considering adding. Essentially it's a toggle between auto-resizing text and resizing the object to fit the text. Please view the video and leave any constructive feedback / comments you have in it.

https://videoreview.techsmith.com/review/Rc1DY5mlRfdFzY9843KuzK/v1?commentid=h6VQmQTjtwS1XBIJXEiSXo

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I'm not crazy about this new functionality either, but at least this post by Brooks gives us a chance to say what we'd like to see. What's hard about NOT autoresizing either text or the text box?
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How To Resize Camtasia 2019 Callout Without Resizing Text 2019-10-09
https://www.screencast.com/t/mwgLeGYvmnh9

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This is a clever workaround. Have you tested whether it works with text boxes that are stored libraries? That is, if I crop using the ALT key, as you indicate here, will I in effect create a text box that won't resize the text that I can use elsewhere? 
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works ok for me after adding to Library and reusing

maybe try it?
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I did try it. It doesn't do quite what I hoped it would do, but it will probably work better than what I've been doing.

I make a lot of lists in my videos, and add one line at a time when I get to the list item in the narration. This workaround makes the cropped-out part of the box invisible, and it seems to do what I'd hope it would do when I add a border, so it is an improvement over the out-of-the-box callout, though still a bit clunky.

Where is using the Alt key to resize callouts documented?
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nowhere ... that I know of
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if you're resizing the callout at the point you add another line of text, then this method may work for you ...

How To Maintain Callout Text Size By Watching Font Size Property 2019-10-11
https://www.screencast.com/t/vcFwRKoG