Have border added removable to be able to increase the size of the canvas and get rid of the former border

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I add borders to a picture then I add a text near the limit of the picture so the canevas is increased but my border remains and I would like to delete it.
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jean-paul.grange

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Dubie

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I have to ask why are you adding a border if only to delete it?

Are you adding a colored border?

I would need a little more about your flow to understand your final objective.

Dubie:)
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Just a shot in the dark here, but if you are adding the border to have the canvas be larger
when you do a capture so you can add some text,  there is a easier way.

In the editor preferences under the Editor tab check-mark "Automatically expand the canvas"


Do your capture. Then in the editor just drag out a text box near the edge of your capture and add your text.

The canvas will expand for the text box.

Position and size the text box, format your text, etc.



Now use the Auto Trim tool or in the top menu use Image >> Trim to remove any extra canvas and tighten up your image.

Right click on the image and select "Canvas Color" to set the canvas to match your capture image or make the canvas transparent behind your text box.



If you don't want to have the canvas expand automatically and set that option in the preferences you can also just drag one of the handles to expand the canvas to add your text box and then trim, change canvas color etc.





Dubie:)

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I agree with Dubie.  if you want to add an external border to the entire image including any objects that extend beyond the border, then you have to make that the last step in your workflow.  

Of course, if you recognise that you need to add text later, you have a problem.

A border is not a separate object, it's an effect.  When you add it, it's added to the original canvas and immediately flattened.  What you could try doing is:

1. Select and copy the text object. 
2. Then use undo to step back and remove the border
3. Then paste the text object

That works as long as you only have one object to remove and replace.

Your issue is another example of where layers would help.  As a layer, a border could easily be removed.

Another solution might be a selectable undo list.  So, you would click on a dropdown next to an undo icon.  A list would appear in reverse order

Text Box Added - 30 secs ago
Callout added - 40 seconds ago
Border Added - 2 minutes ago

You click on "Border Added"

The border is removed

This would have all kinds of uses.



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HI gents

I'm wondering if jean-paul.grange is bumping up against the bug I recently reported and TechSmith confirmed? 

Here's the deal and you can see it for yourselves. Even with the auto expand canvas option turned off, the canvas still expands under certain conditions.

If you add some text or drop a stamp near or overlapping the canvas edge, then you adjust an aspect of the text or the stamp or whatever, it causes the canvas to behave as if the option to allow it to expand has been enabled. Even though your settings should prohibit it.

Cheers... Rick :)
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I can confirm. Seems hit and miss.

I can have it happen with a text box or callout but it doesn't expand if I add a stamp .

Dubie:)
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Hmmm, it's been a few weeks since I reported it, but there was one way I did it where even the stamp somehow caused it to happen. I'll have to look at my emails to see if I advised how.
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Ahhh found it. Add a stamp that overlaps, then ensure it's selected and change to a different stamp!
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confirm
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What about the actual feature request?

It sounds like a request to undo an applied border/effect. Why not? You can delete annotations.

Why not add the ability to delete the "Any Effect" while were at it? I believe that might be a better way to request this feature.

If you don't save the image beforehand. Why shouldn't you be able to undo the effect?

How difficult can it be to implement? It's probably not a walk in the park. But I'm sure it can be done. I change my mind in Photoshop all the time. Removing or adjusting an applied effect.

I'm voteing for it.

Regards,Joe
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Delete, whatever.Maybe I should have chosen better wording.

I said delete "Any Effect" later in my post. I also eluded to the fact I do it all the time in Photoshop.

A list as you suggest would be effective technique. It would be removing a border after it was applied.
Same thing in Photoshop.Depending on the technique you used to apply it.Would depend if you could easily remove it.

Regardless of how you want to implement the feature. Votes count more than discussions.And so far, I don't see your vote up there  ^


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Lots of good discussion and valid points in this thread.

At this point I'm hoping to hear something back from jean-paul.grange about the discussion. I believe Dubie requested that.

First, while "Idea" was what was selected at the time the thread was created, we aren't quite sure if that's an accurate classification. Was it truly an expression of a desired feature? Or was it a report of an issue and a hope to find a way past it? The way the initial post reads, it sure sounds like the bug that I mentioned and was being discussed earlier.

We also need clarification on whether the border is being added manually, after the capture during editing, or as part of a capture preset that was created and being used. If it's happening because of the way a capture preset works, there would be no command to "undo", would there? But if the border is being applied manually, it can, actually, be undone. Not selectively, of course, but it's possible. I believe Paul outlined that.

We also don't know if jean-paul.grange is only wanting to remove just the odd looking top edge of the border or if the wish is to remove the entire border. Or maybe the wish is to have that extra area actually added to the top edge of the canvas and the border simply moved up and adjusted so the entire image still has a border applied after adding the text.

Incidentally, I'll simply note here that it's quite possible to "remove" the border by simply using the paint bucket tool to flood fill the border color. Or use the "Auto Trim" feature. I use that feature a lot. Auto trim seems to work very well and should quickly and neatly remove any border that was added during capture.

Also, if it IS the bug at play here and you simply want the text very close to the edge of the image where it's simply near the border, as long as you don't edit the text, it does seem to allow overlapping without causing the canvas expansion. So if you need to make an edit to the text and you don't want the expansion of the canvas, just drag the object so it doesn't overlap the edge before making the edit and committing it. Then reposition it where you want.

Cheers... Rick :)
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No Joe, you're right, I didn't vote because, like Rick, I wasn't sure what was being suggested.

And just to add to Rick's detailed expo, I also think there's an aesthetic issue too.  I always border screenshots that have no natural perimeter and I like the fact that callouts extend beyond it.  It emphasises the point. 

So, and I admit it's a selfish point of view, I don't have a specific need for it.  But I'd vote for a more comprehensive solution, whatever that might be, whenever consensus coalesces around an idea.
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This gave me a great idea  as a work around until they can fix it so the edger never expands ...I have an 8 1/2 x 11 document that  is impossible to edit in Snagit as I CANNOT keep those dimensions. while working even though I have set the  expand canvas to OFF
I will just add a border and go to work. It can act like a guide and Snagit can do it's but thing. I just delete the frame as the last step before exporting
Learn something every day 
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Hello,

Thanks for these many feedbacks.

This is not an issue it is an idea that is well summarized by several of you, first by Paul as : 
Your issue is another example of where layers would help.  As a layer, a border could easily be removed.
Another solution might be a selectable undo list.  So, you would click on a dropdown next to an undo icon.  A list would appear in reverse order
Text Box Added - 30 secs ago
Callout added - 40 seconds ago
Border Added - 2 minutes ago
You click on "Border Added"
The border is removed
This would have all kinds of uses.
I provide you the full Use case : 

I want to be able to reuse my snagit modified pictures.

1.1 To save and be able to reuse a modified picture
  1. I do a screen copy
  2. I add some text and some shapes
  3. I add a border effect
  4. I save it as .png
  5. I close Snagit
  6. I reopen Snagit
  7. I click on the modified picture
  8. I want to change the text
  9. ISSUE : it is not possible the image has been flatten.
  10. Solution provided by the support : to save each picture as a ".snag"
  11. Idea 1 : to have it done by default
1.2 To be able to modify or remove anythink added by snagit
  1. I open the modified picture as .snag
  2. I want to add some text outside so I need to remove the border to do as Dubie underlined
  3. ISSUE : it is not possible to remove the effects
  4. Idea 2 : to have all effects removable
Regards

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Hi Jean-Paul

OK, with the full use case I can suggest a different workflow.  I won't call it a workaround because, for me, it's a new way of working  It might work for you, it might not.  But it's worth at least considering.  Forgive me if I'm telling you something you already know.

I have used Snagit for 17 years so I was deeply wedded to a similar workflow to yours.  I would save my annotated screenshots to png/jpg and then struggle to do any further edits.  Sometimes it was easier to start over.

Then TechSmith introduced the ability to drag and drop images from the recents tray/library directly into a target application without the need to save them.  Combined with the library, this changed my workflow completely.  Now, I only ever save an image if I am dealing with a legacy app that doesn't support the drop.

  1. Take screenshot
  2. Annotate it
  3. Drag the item from recents tray and drop it into the target location

The results of this action are:
  1. SnagIt assigns a temporary png file name to the image and that is what is dropped into the target app
  2. The item in the recents tray (and therefore the library) remain in a fully editable .snag file format
  3. There is no need to save the png file to the HDD
  4. The library will contain every image in an editable format without the need to save it in .snag format
  5. The library is organised in date format.  In my workflow that makes it relatively easy to find old ones but you can apply tags to make items searchable.
This way you never have to save anything - SnagIt has you covered.  One flaw in this approach is that if you need the pngs to have meaningful names you have no choice but to save the file to png.  The idea has been posted before that when you save a file o png a simultaneous auto-save to .snag should occur.

None of this detracts from the fact that the ability to do selective undoes to an image would be incredibly useful.
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Thanks Paul,

I did not know or understand the tray drag and drop that avoid a Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V.
I will try to limit as much as possible the save .png so I need to push the other applications to support the copy past keeping the image quality.
We agree on the need to do selective undoes to an image (where could I vote for this Idea ?)