I hate the new theme idea.

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Camtasia: When working with annotations, I can't set the color of text without trying to use the extremely frustrating and limiting 'theme's. In the previous version of the dialog, there were 12 preset colors, making it easy to make sure I got the same color each time, even across projects. With the new dialog, there is only room for four (maybe a couple more) preset colors and those are not kept the same across all annotations. If I try to use a theme, it is much more limited in the way it is structured. PLEASE bring back the old dialog or find a way to add it as an option. I am spending a lot of time trying just set font colors consistently.

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Joe Morgan

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Agree 100%.

Regards,Joe
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David Bookbinder

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So it used to be easier to set more than a few colors? And they were consistent?
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No, you could never save more colors.
However, the default colors menu had 12 preset colors to pick from.


When they added save themes, sure, you can save custom colors. But they dropped the menu choices to 5 for default/all callouts.

This new color picked was introduced with version 9. Frankly, it's user unfriendly.

Camtasia 8 had a proper color picker.It was much easier to select any color you wish. You could also save up to 16 colors.



Themes is a niche feature to me.I don't use them, I'd rather have a comprehensive color picker again.


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I suppose it depends on your workflow and how you like to do things.

In version 8 and earlier, the color chooser dialog looked like this:



So I can see where you have fewer colors that can be set. That dialog above seems to offer a total of 16 custom colors that may be defined. And the new themes allow configuring a total of five colors for each theme.

What's confusing in the initial post here (at least to me) is the mention of inconsistency among uses of the colors. Which, I suppose, if you are struggling to work against using theming, could be inconsistent because if you are always overriding the theme colors, there isn't anything to enforce consistency by defining a group of custom colors.

Seems to me the most efficient approach would involve carefully building a theme using the colors you desire. Then just pointing to the theme as you configure things.

Overall, I think themes are useful, but having said that, there are some criticisms I hold with the themes.

1. They aren't "dynamic" in the sense that if you design a theme and associate it with multiple elements, then later change a color in the theme, it doesn't update across all elements that use the theme.

To get the updated colors, you must re-visit each element and tell it to use the theme it was already associated with. That seems to be counter to how one would expect something like theming to behave. Personally, I think it should behave a lot like CSS does for web pages. Although, it seems a fairly straightforward task to just select all the elements, then re-apply the theme to all of them at once.

2. The actual colors that are presented when designing a theme or even when choosing to override a theme seem too "muted" or "pastel" for my own tastes. 

I realize that trends change things and maybe the pastel colors are what's "IN" these days, but I much prefer the older and brighter colors to choose from.

Cheers... Rick :)
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What do I hate about Themes? The NON User-Unfriendly color picker for one! SnagIt utilizes the same thing.

What’s a proper color picker? You simply move the cursor around in a colored window. There’s also a small preview of the color you’re selecting. Within the same window. Without the need to remove focus from it. “Watch what’s occurring in the canvas area”.

Oh sure, I still look at the media in the canvas when fine tuning a setting. It’s the 2 step process getting there that aggravates me.

With the current workflow, let’s say you’re looking for a shade of orange. You start by grabbing an overly sensitive slider from the sideline. Then guesstimate if your shade of orange you desire is included in preview window. All shades of orange may not be represented. Based on arbitrary slider placement. Which you’ve fiddled around with just to get started.



Then on too, Step 2. You make your next choice. Using a tiny circular Icon/Representation/whatever. As your preview.



I can save callouts to the library. With all the properties provide in a saved theme.

I can simply drag them to the timeline. Adding them faster than a standard callout. Then applying a theme as a secondary step.

Plus, callouts added from the library are of a consistent size. I don’t believe I have ever added a callout without resizing them.

To me,this is how a color picker should function. There are many iterations that accomplish the same thing.Just configured differently than my example.


To some, themes may be very helpful.

 As usual, TechSmith made a permanent change to a common and comprehensive function “Color Picker” starting with version 9. Reducing functionality along the way. For a feature you may or may not want anything to do with.

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I forgot to mention this, this is important.

If I want all of my callouts to share a theme. I can simply select them all. And apply changes to all of them. Easy Peasy.

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Seems I saw that mentioned somewhere earlier in the thread. ;)

But one thing that would be a nice change would be that if you are one that has configured a theme, odds are your intent is to use that theme as you go. So it seems logical that one would expect the theme to be automatically in place when choosing to add any object that is influenced by a theme.

It's frustrating if you have carefully designed a theme, you are working along and need to add perhaps another callout, but after the callout is added, the theme must again be selected to influence the callout. 

So many other things work in a manner where whatever the last effect or theme or whatever was applied is remembered as the default for the next instance, it seems odd that this doesn't seem to work this way.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to add a place to the Project settings where one would apply a theme to be enforced?  Maybe leave things "as is" for when one wants to choose things as they go along, but be able to choose a theme in Project Settings.

Thoughts?