I need to place Timestamp on the video from the metadata - does anyone know how do do this in Camtasia?

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I do studies where two cameras are recording at the same time.  I am showing both videos side by side different views.   I need to be able to place the timestamp on each video's to show they are synced to the same date and time.  Is there any way to do this with Camtasia?
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Wonderful idea! Make a request to Tech Support to add it in.
The rest of us simply clap to create an audio "timestamp" - ergo the famous clapboard of all takes in all movies.
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Hmmm - I interpreted the request to mean that Jack desires a nice visual confirmation of things for the viewer.  Thinking perhaps of two angles of a time lapse video depicting rotting fruit or suchlike.
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Clock X is a free windows app download . . .
see:  https://www.screencast.com/t/Td4Cg5kc

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Thanks - Not quite what I was looking for.
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I'm assuming that the cameras do not also record a visible time stamp?

accordingly, you could make your own time stamps out of captions, and use them in your project

perhaps this tutorial might be helpful ...

How To Make Custom Duration Time Captions Asset Using A Time Captions Template 2017-11-18
https://www.screencast.com/t/dXkcmOYWM0Q6

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unfortunately I work in a regulatory environment so I must use real time data

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Re "the cameras do not also record a visible time stamp?" -- Interesting point. MP4s don't include internal TC, do they? I thought this is why an XML file accompanies them.
I use v8.6, so time code is impossible in my version of Camtasia. For client reviews of rough cuts, I've taken to using a time code generated in another, more robust video editing program (and exported as a small size window) to place over the running video in Camtasia. The numbers are superimposed over the original video and look like viscode, but even though they are generated post-recording they are useful to identify edits.
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I was thinking that the cameras used to record the studies [mentioned above] might also add a time stamp?; I don't have a video camera anymore; but if I recall correctly, when I had a VHS camera back in the '80's, it could add a time stamp to the video as it was recorded

but just brainstorming here

your capturing a timer elsewhere and adding to projects is an excellent workaround, one I used to use before moving to "time captions"
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We have multiple cameras some have the time stamp feature newer ones do not.  I work in a regulated environment and perform visual studies of air flow using smoke.  In order to meet the regulatory requirements the time and date must be visible in each video.
I need to put the captured time and date in the lower right corner of the frame for the study.
We would like to go to 4K Cameras which most let you see the info on the view finder but when it saves the file it is not on the video itself.  This is what I am trying to overcome.
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I'm not sure if by saying "regulated environment", you simply mean that the area you work in has regulations you have to follow or if you mean that the recordings you create MUST be created in such a manner as to meet strict regulations.

If it's the latter, I'm thinking the camera's built in date/time function would have to be used. I would think adding a date/time during the editing process would be a regulatory "no no".
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The only other thought that occurs to me is that perhaps you could examine the properties of each video and grab a screen capture of the area depicting the date and time the video was created and saved. But that would only be a static screen capture and wouldn't update in real time.
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@kayakman, you had a VHS recorder that generated and embedded TC? I thought they only did sync pulses (so they counted time but did not generate/embed TC). In fact, I thought the VHS tape format itself did not have "room" for VITC due to the recording process. Back in the day, we always had to obtain TC window dubs (VHS or 3/4") from field masters (which were on 1" until beta became available).
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I "think" I remember it being available; had a very expensive Canon VHS camera; but I could be wrong; it was a long time ago; so could be a bad memory ...
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found a VHS clip from Nov 1982; looks like there was a "timer", not a date/time clock; so a bad memory ...

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If you can record as MOV files, the format permits storing time code within the file. Most advanced editors can display the time code but Camtasia 8.6 does not (and I don't know if more recent versions can).  Otherwise, you may have to generate identical code via something like Sony Vegas to stick over the file within Camtasia. If this violates regulations, you will have to deal with a broadcast-quality camera genertating code and using another editing program.
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could you work with something like this ...

Example Web Current Time Date Clock Capture Added To Project 2019-09-21
https://www.screencast.com/t/gHGfoZCgtzAW

grabbed the clock from this site ...
https://www.worldtimeserver.com

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Thanks for the help - still not sure of the best direction to go yet.  Will have to research further.
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I was poking around and found this video segment that may be interesting.


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Rick, what is the primary takeaway of this video?
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Demonstrating that for purposes such as what has been described, the camera(s) used really need to "burn in" the time and date stamp.
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Unfortunately the video seems to begin playing just a fuzz too soon. The issue is actually discussed beginning at about the 2:00:13 mark.
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For some reason this thread really made me think about how folks deal with things such as what the OP was asking about. Especially when it comes to verifying recorded video in these times where "deep fakes" are now possible. The whole issue is fascinating. At least, it is to me. LOL
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I don't know why it was made so hard to do.  The metadata becomes the second data source to verify authenticity of the photo or video.  In my field that is a must.  especially when you are working on a validated systems.
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The software he mentioned looks pretty interesting.

Thanks
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Jack - This has gotten confusing. What exactly do you want Camtasia to do? Are you creating video in Camtasia or importing video "media" in Camtasia? And if importing where SHOULD the metadata be?
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Everyone has seen arrest mug shots...face forward ...face to side.  Think about doing this with two cameras at the same time 90­ degrees to each other.  This is how the video I am capturing is. 2 video cameras 90 degrees orientation to each other.  Currently we are using older low res 720P video that has the true unaltered time date stamp of the recording on them.  My team wants to move to 4K video - none of the 4k video cameras that we can afford have the time date stamp recorded on the visible video.  Each frame of video has the time date stamp and other information encoded in the hidden Exif and metadata .

Camtasia is the software my company paid for so we are trying to use it to it limits.  My work flow is currently to import both videos into Camtasia place them side by side, sync the video to the data and time shown in the video .  If we get better cameras this feature will be gone.

The regulatory agencies that inspect our records require the time date stamp to be visible and accurate on the video(data Integrity) .  So I am trying to figure out if Camtasia will let me import the time date stamp from the videos metadata and put it on a separate overlay  to display on both videos to show they were in sync from the original recording. Then export the two cropped side by side videos as one finished 1080p video for now.  Hopefully later moving to a 4K export.

Hope this answers your question...Sorry for being so long.



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Jack - Just because you paid for the software does not allow you to demand TechSmith to do something I suspect would be illegal, that is altering a date-time stamp in any matter. And " . . put it on a separate overlay . ."  defeats the integrity of the stamp.
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WRT the statement: ...none of the 4k video cameras that we can afford...

I'm kind of curious as to what your budget is? I was looking and saw this camera at Amazon:



And in the features I see this:



Click here to see it on Amazon
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I would watch this jack

Theres an inexpensive program featured. Basic instructions on how to use it. Commentary on the subject/process/pros and cons. By someone who does this for  living.



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Program Link..................https://www.dts8888.com/order.htm

Regards,Joe

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Theres a free trial with a watermark. I just ran it on a Video I shot this morning. It worked perfectly, I placed the codes in the lower right hand corner.
Theres this odd pop up warning. The timecode must be converted to reflect your time zone.I converted nothing. It got the time correct by default.I included it in the screen shot below.The image is a frame from the converted video.



If this meets your legal requirements. It looks pretty good to me.

However, it converted my mov to mp4. 
Oddly enough. The 30 second test video is 80.0 mb. The new mp4 is larger at 93.3mb. 
So it seems to be a high quality render.
There doesn't seem to be any options to change the render format.


I've searched Adobe and elsewhere. This is a feature of little demand.I don't believe theres many options available. }:>(
This seems pretty quick and straightforward to implement. Although render times are slow. Much slower than my typical render times.
It took 1minute 15 seconds to convert a 30 second video.
I use various video programs. My system typically renders a video in less time than the videos duration.Unless I've added effects that demand a lot of system resources.

I would conciser render times the biggest drawback.
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There is also a program from Video Toolshed that will "inject" time code into a MOV file. Since it is not in demand, there is pretty much no support for it.  It's available here:
https://www.videotoolshed.com/handcrafted-timecode-tools/qtchange/
The nice thing about this is that if you use a transcriber program (e.g. one available at Video Toolshed) you can grab the time code off the running video -- very useful for marking shots when screening, sort of like the old Avid for PC software, which let you create clip selections for mass entry into Avid.
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I think the legal requirements need to be defined.There must be guidelines.

As altering the original video is always required. The information may be accurate, it's still added manually. And therefor can be manipulated and/or faked.
I think anything short of burned in timecode is problematic.
Easily discredited.
Then theres the Master Surveillance videos opening point. You can set a camera to any time and date you wish. Essentially creating phony and/or inaccurate burned in timecodes.
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Yep, it's a potential issue.  Even if you used an old-style broadcast quality Beta-SP camera, the operator is still setting up the time code generator -- so an irrefutable, independently-verifiable time/date stamp is an engineering unicorn.
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believe this is a bullet-proof time/date site ...
https://timegov.boulder.nist.gov/

perhaps there is a way to screencast this, with audio picked up from your testing; then combine them ???

just brainstorming some more
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Funny thing where I work - In our SOP's and told explicitly - if it is not written down it never happened....Great Idea, I like it, just wouldn't fly where I work.
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This has been an very interesting topic....I had no idea that something so simple would be so difficult.   The dts8888 software comes the closest but it is not 100% infallible.  I will have to check with our QA to see if this could be used as an option.

Thank you everyone who has participated in this conversation and offered great suggestions and feedback!

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jack ...

Hope you're able to quickly find a satisfactory solution

in the meantime, my quick workaround ...

Example Live Action With NIST Clock 2019-09-24
https://www.screencast.com/t/gZUWt5lmop