I want my old Delete editing behavior back - snippets, not whole clips!

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I can no longer hit DEL to get rid of a snippet in the timeline, which is SOOO frustrating. Hitting DEL now deletes whatever entire section of the timeline happens to be selected. Now as I'm jogging through my hour long videos' trimming out bits all over the place, I have to right-click and CUT.

Not only is it slower but it has another drawback: Let's say you want to re-use the same callout styles again & again without reformatting & repositioning every time - pretty sensible right? In version 7 I could copy the callout, then as I'm going through the timeline I could simply PASTE and it's all nicely formatted & ready to go. But now in version 8, my clipboard is always taken up by snippets of trash video that I'm forced to cut instead of having simply deleted them...

What I don't get is, WHY was this behavior changed? How often would a user really want to delete a whole clip or callout from the timeline, as opposed to trimming out the "Ums" as you call them? From a ratio standpoint it must be 10 to 1 right? It's like 3 steps backwards for productivity, and I'm begging you to release an option to go back to the old way. Pleeeeease
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Wendy Hunter

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Agree - this new approach takes a lot more clicks to do what I want to do -- annoying.

So far I'm not very impressed by v8.
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you can use ctl-X to do the cutting of a selection
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It's the same difference. I know the keyboard shortcuts for copy, cut, paste. But cutting is not the same as deleting.

The problem is now we can't DELETE seconds of garbage out of a clip without replacing what's on our clipboard. It's very counterproductive,especially for users who used to be efficient at editing.
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It looks like as of 8.0.3 the Delete key now works to delete a snippet instead of the whole clip, BUT, the timeline doesn't auto-adjust for the deleted content like it did in v7. So now there's a little hole in the timeline and I'd have to manually pull over the clip to the right. Bleh.
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Wendy Hunter

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I have been continuing to use cut to make little edits within clips due to the issue with deleting. One annoying thing is that cutting anywhere but at the very beginning or end of a clip causes the clip to split, so that now I have two clips. I want to be able to delete portions of a clip WITHOUT either a) splitting the clip (as happens when you use cut), or b) creating a "hole" in the timeline that I then have to manually move over (as happens when you use delete). Is there seriously no way to do this anymore? This seems like a common activity so I am surprised it is not a major issue for people, which makes me think I must be missing something.
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I have the same result when using the delete feature on the timeline. This is something that I think TechSmith should put in as a user requested feature for their next update. It is a feature I think would be better when it comes to editing and save some time if you have multiple clips or longer videos involved. I just slide the clip to where I want it after using the delete. It is a work-a-round but could be made easier. Just my opinion.
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The behavior that Wendy suggests is under consideration. For the workflow where you edit by creating lots of little cuts, the additional cut lines and short clips on the timeline are creating other usability problems. For example:
1. The timeline becomes visually complex, making it increasingly difficult to look at and make sense of.
2. It becomes more difficult to move clips around, as they bump into each other, when you often want them to move together as a group. If your mouse is over an edge, you may end up trimming (the double sided arrow) when you meant to move the clip(s).
3. The need to zoom in/out on the timeline is increased, because you have to zoom in to deal with short clips, but then you lose context, and this requires zooming back out to re-orient yourself, or to deal with larger clips.
4. Adding zoom-n-pan, or other visual animations is nearly impossible with lots of little clips, unless you realize you can group the clips together, and apply the animation on the group, instead of the individual short clips. This was our intent, but few users figure this out, which is a problem.

For now, the best workflow I can suggest for the "lots of little cuts" problem, is this:
a. Put your video on the timeline and make your cuts.
b. Select all the small clips, right-click > Group.
c. Since the clips are now grouped together, they will move as a single unit, and any animations (zooms, cursor effects, position, rotation, etc) can be added to the group as a whole, instead of to the small individual pieces.

As I said, we do recognize the usability issues here, and we are looking at our options to improve this workflow for future releases. Thanks so much for the detailed feedback.
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Also everyone, please remember to utilize the voting system and +1 this post if you want it to be prioritized as a suggestion. It certainly is for me, as this change in behavior alone has literally increased my editing time probably 35% or more. Thanks for replying!
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I've +1'd this, though it looks like I'm only the 2nd one to do so. Since the delete key now does nothing, I don't see why it couldn't be switched back to the previous behavior. Clearly Dave O'Rourke recognizes the many issues with the current behavior, so I'm hopeful that whether a large number of customers vote for this, or not, it's recognized that this is a major step backward in terms of usability (and, as somebody who has CS7 and CS8 installed on different machines, this and other differences make me prefer CS7 today).
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Official Response
Today we are pleased to announce the release of Camtasia Studio 8.1 which adds this feature you might find helpful.

Stitching
If you "cut" sections of your video or audio media, stitching will now join the pieces together eliminating gaps on the timeline.
Animations will automatically span across any stitched media clips. You can also manually stitch and unstitch clips.

To Manually Stitch Clips
Right-click between two clips on the timeline and choose Stitch Media from the menu.

To Unstitch Clips
Right-click on a stitched media clip and choose Unstitch.

To Change the Default Action for Stitching:
Select Camtasia Studio > Tools > Option > Program tab > Enable auto-stitching

For more information, watch this video tutorial:
http://techsmith.com/tutorial-camtasi...

If you have Camtasia Studio 8 installed (trial or licensed version), you can update to the new version by clicking Help > Check for Updates or by downloading and installing here.
http://www.techsmith.com/download/cam...
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Wendy Hunter

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I downloaded this update today and while this new feature may be helpful for other reasons, it does not address the original complaint. I want to be able to make small edits to clips without needing to do anything else afterward (like you used to be able to do). Deleting a portion of a clip and then having to stitch it back together is an extra unnecessary step, especially since there is already an independent action for splitting a clip if I really wanted to do that. What I still want is for Delete to do what it used to -- delete the selected portion and auto-adjust the timeline, leaving the clip intact.
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Dave O'Rourke, Senior Software Engineer

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With 810, if you make a range selection and use Ctrl+X to cut, the clip is stitched together as in v7.x and earlier. This was to address the usability problems I noted above.

I realize there was another request in this thread to use the Delete key instead of Ctrl+X to perform a ripple delete on a range selection, and not populate the clipboard. For this release, we did not change the functionality of the Delete key. We will consider this request for a future release.
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Thanks Wendy, I hadn't bothered rushing to grab the update because from the employee comment, she specifically used the word "Cut." Which yet again IS the problem.

You're making us occupy and replace the contents of our system clipboard when we simply want to DELETE portions of the timeline. Like in version 7, and many versions before that. This is not a solution.

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