I'm new to Snagit and I can't find a way to re-edit a .png.

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I need to shorten the arrows, the image was taken a week ago. Can I re-edit?
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In the editor, Right click on the PNG and choose "Edit picture" and you can do it.
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I just tried it again and Edit picture is not appearing. Go figure
Better to save as the SNAG format and do a SAVE AS when you need aPNG

You should be able to crop that image then use the eraser and fill tools to do a roughrepair
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If you click Help > About, what version is being reported?
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Version 13.1.1
Thanks
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Once you saved the image as a PNG you cannot edit the length of the arrows.

Regards,Joe

.snag is a format that would  allow you to edit the length of the arrows any time you want.
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I am sure you are speaking to Lesann415 but just in case ... mine is Snagit 13.1.1.7662
Yes you CAN edit PNG files!!! Try it you canselect elements
Please disregard my hallucinations, Iam off to bed in a few  :)
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If your saving a .snag and a .png that's different. I'm not sure I'm following you. When I save as a png it flattens my image.If I save as a .snag first and then as a png . The only image in the recent capture area is the .snag file. and it's editable in the canvas area
If I check in the library, both images are available there.I'm tired too, so I'm outta here for now.
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You're following me just fine.  I didn't know I SHOULD save it as a snag file first. I also didn't know both images were in the library. As I said, I'm new at this, bought the program today after playing with for a couple of days.  Thank you and Rick for giving me a head start on what to do.
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Yes Lesann415,
Had you saved it as a .snag first you would have a .snag file available in the library that you could still modify.
Here is an image of what they would look like in the library.One of the images is the snag and the other is a png
You would want to save the .snag first so the image isn't flattened.The save the png.
Unfortunately,there is currently no way to save a snag and png at the same time.That cumbersome as well.

Regards,Joe
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Another user recently raised the point that it would be good if, when a user saves a file in a flattened format,  SnagIt auto-saved the file in .snag format too and put them both in the library.

With disc space being cheap these days I'd vote for that.
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They used to have different save buttons, one of which was "Save as San" All that has been removed in the name of "improvements". Adding your suggestion as a configuration choice would be interesting
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Just to be clear. A PNG file can NOT be re-edited because any changes are flattened and become part of the original image as soon as it is saved.  The vector objects which Snagit adds to captures are only saved as objects in the .SNAG proprietary format.  The .SNAG format is the only one which can be re-edited later in Snagit.

While "unsaved" files - that is, those that Snagit automatically saves - are stored in .SNAG format, those automatically saved captures disappear when a user saves that file as another format.  A user has to proactively save the edited capture as a .SNAG format if they desire to change any edits in the future.  Only in this way can there be both an editable .SNAG file and other formats that are usable elsewhere. 

The Save/Save As dialog is basically a Windows function and depends on how the user wants to use them rather than Snagit having anything proprietary to do with this functionality.

 
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Many, if you can shed light, it is welcome
I CAN in 13.1 save a PNG and edit that png ... ONCE then the ability is gone. This is true even if the editor is closed and reopened. I can edit the PNG all I want but once resaved - THEN it is flattened. I have not tried to see if it survives a reboot. I would love to know what its going in there. It is not inherent in the PNG as layers are not preserved in that format (for any graphics program AFAIK)
That being said, it is a curiosity and you are correct: if you want to keep a snag editable, save in the SNAG format

ANYONE SEARCHING FOR INFORMATION: Editing the PNG is a side show - don't even think of depending on it
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That's possible because that file hasn't truly closed.  It's still active in the editor.  I'm referring to saving a PNG file, doing something else and then opening that PNG file and trying to do something with it.  As long as any file as active then, yes, of course, it's possible to edit it but once any file except a .SNAG is truly closed then all the edits are flattened.

Edit: Oops, looks like Robert already commented on this and in better detail then I did.
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You are correct and pretty much answered the "why" part although my interest at this point is pretty much academic  In most other programs a png is flattened and I found it surprising that I could continue to edit after saving a theoretically closed file. I just found it fascinating that this could occur.
Thanks!
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I'm not sure how much it is used these days, but I seem to recall that Adobe Fireworks actually used PNG as its native format. And in that application, you had to specifically instruct it to create a "flattened" PNG or else the PNG would have trouble being recognized as an image by other applications.

Just thought this was a small and interesting little nugget of info to share... Rick :)
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Hi all;

I'd like to pop in here to try to clarify this whole thing ... PNG files are flat images and do not retain their layers the way that a SNAG file does. However, there are exceptions; with Snagit Editor you can open a PNG file and then place an arrow, then close by pressing the X in the upper right-corner, and as long as the Editor is set to run in the background, it should retain the ability to edit that PNG file. If you have disabled the option to keep the editor running in the background, restarted/logged out of your computer, or completely exited Snagit (via the Task Manager or via File - Exit while the option to run in the background is not enabled), you will not be able to re-edit your PNG file as it will become flattened.

The better practice would be to import a PNG file, go to File - Save As and save it as a SNAG file, then work on the SNAG file in the Snagit Editor, then go to File - Save As and save it as a PNG file.

Hope this helps clear up some confusion on the subject, if not, feel free to reach out to me.

-Robert
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Thanks. that describes the scenario. It just took me by surprise that I could go back into a PNG saved as you described and manipulate the elements such as boxes callouts and arrows
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Excellent response - thanks Robert that's very clear.

Just one small point.  I would describe saving an image in two formats "better practice." "Best practice" would be for Snagit to have a user preference to save in dual formats or not discard the layered file when a flattened file is saved.. :) 
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Noted Paul and thanks! I've tweaked my response.

I've not forgotten about our call, just trying to line all the ducks up in a row is a bit tricky at the moment.

-Robert
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I agree Paul an option to save in a .SNAG and your favorite format would be an handy thing for those who can keep up with it all.  
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Unfortunately a year later and this has still not been a feature added.  Is there potential for it to be revisited?
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That is absolutely correct Nikki but in the meantime something has happened that might fix it for you.  A year ago I was as frustrated as anyone about this.  Today,. not so much.  Why?

The new ability to drag an image from the Recents Tray or Library and drop it into a document has transformed the landscape. What happens is, when you drag an item from the tray / library onto a document, SnagIt takes the layered native SnagIt file and creates a one-time, throw away png file that it drops into whatever place you choose, preserving the original in its editable state.

This means you only have to save a file to PNG/JPEG if you are unlucky enough to need it somewhere that doesn't support drag and drop, and those apps are getting fewer and fewer.
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Yup, I am aware of the drag and drop and the copy all feature, I just do have cases where I need the actual png or jpg file, so it's unfortunate that people need to find a work around.  I also dislike that, as mentioned previously, the save as feature is setup to work differently than most other programs' save as function, leading to most people not realizing the difference for snagit until it's too late
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Nikki - any file format other than SNAG is flattened. When you close and reopen a PNG file you can no longer move the callouts, shapes etc. Just save anything that you might want to edit again in the SNAG format
PNG doesn't support layers anyway but even if you save to a PSD - it goes out flattened
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Hi Rick, I have learned this the hard way.  My issue is that this is a known issue (for years apparently) and it's unfortunate that snagit forces people to double save a project to keep the snag file, just hate doing more work
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You only need to do that if you are going to edit more than once. I used to do it a lot until it dawned on me that I seldom have to go back and edit an old screen capture. So ... I save everything in PNG unless I know there will be more work to be done

This isn't that bad ... it is not an egregious regression.  I save a lot of PNGs but I have folders of SNAG files that get updated as needed
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I totally agree with Nikki, this is an issue and has been around far too long.  Another 6mths since your last entry.  I guess it will be added in snagit2019 and I'll have to pay top dollar for the "huge improvement - not"

Have a look at the output option in the Snagit editor preferences (snagit2018) under "OUTPUTS" "FILE"  option you could easily add the option for dual output i.e. .snag and other file format, so you end up always saving the .snag which will allow you to edit your masterpiece again when needed.  Perhaps even have the option to save the .snag to any location you want.  Could even be a share on a server where others might need it.

If you are creating documents it is very likely that you will have to revisit images that have been embedded in them. It would be so much more efficient to be able to pull up the .snag and edit only what's needed.

https://imgur.com/a/1tnnHex