Insert space tool

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We have the Cut Out tool to remove unnecessary parts of an image capture. But there are times when you want to add space in the middle of an image. There are a couple levels we could do this: click and drag a line to give some space, effectively splitting the image across the image where you clicked. Or we could potentially go much further and intelligently add space based on the starting location without breaking up text or other screen elements. Either way this could be particularly useful for some situations.
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I see bloat. Can not one group, grab & move items to make the space they want? The canvas automatically expands ...
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I'm torn Rick.  I do this a lot, so one part of me would love this feature, while another part of me accepts that you can do MOST of this manually.

BUT, a typical use case for me is creating space in a screen which has (normally) vertical lines running down each side af few px in from the border and that can be a right faff to recreate manually.  It would SO nice to able to choose an insertion point and drag the bottom block down with the lines and background colour being created for me.

Smart fill - I hate that.  All I ever get is smeared text, because I have no ability to select the sides I want sampled.  So insertion would have to do a better job than that.
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Then lets go for it especially if it is not adding a lot of bloat. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Need a counterpart to the Cut Out function.

I often find myself wanting to expand an area in order to make room for other elements.

I'm a big fan of shrinking an area to remove unwanted space, but this is the opposite. 

It would be cool to see a feature that was very similar to the cut out. Or possibly piggyback onto the cut out and make it also become a horizontal or vertical insert. 

The thought would be to work just like the cut out does presently, where you select vertical or horizontal, then either offer a toggle option that makes it insert or use a modifier key. Basically it would sample a selected area and duplicate the sample as you clicked and dragged to "expand" or to "stretch" the area.

I could also see this working to either make the image larger overall or to just act on the area inside the current image size.
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Chris,

Do we have to raise the idea in a fresh post?  There's so much description in this thread about what people want that will be lost if we raise a new Idea.  Cross linking from a new idea to this one is unlikely to help with teh vote count.  Where do people vote?  There or here?

Regards

Paul
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Has there been any progress on this - I'm pretty new to this - and I have already hit this problem.

As Rick said - it would be superb to be able to "add" space in the opposite way that we can "cut" it at the moment.

Here's a quick explainer ...

https://www.useloom.com/share/802f34067fa8410680c39326b32ca761

If any Snagitteers know a way of doing this I'd be eternally grateful - thanks.


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I'm not sure what version of SnagIt your using theoldfice,

The ability to Auto-Resize the canvas was introduced with SnagIt 13. So if you have that checked in user preferences.


You can use this technique.

Use the Rectangular Selection Tool to make a selection.You may have to Zoom Out or Scroll to make the entire selection.



Then tap your down arrow key to move the selection downward. Hold shift to move it a smaller distances.



If the canvas is transparent you may want to fill it in with a color using the Canvas Color feature under the edit tab.

Regards,Joe
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Joe's right.  It can be done but it isn't that easy if the background is not a single flat colour.

For example:



This is a fiddly operation.

What would be really nice is would be to select an "Insert" tool, draw a section just like you do in cutout, and have the application copy the row of pixels of the first row of the selection, and copy those down to fill the gap.

The user would need to be careful with their selection.  For example, if I was to make my selection and include part of the box's title "Description" in my first row, that would cause a smear all the way down the insertion.  But then the SnagIt fill tool would probably sort that out.  or I "Undo" and reselect.

I have to do this a lot.
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Thanks - that's a great method too ...

Yes - exactly - I cannot believe there is no support for this - it's a pretty standard requirement I'd have thought.
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This is more of a "Whats Wrong with the Copy and Paste functionality of SnagIt?" issue to me.
If you copy and paste something from within the same image.It should paste itself in the same location it was copied from.
Right down to the pixel. Putting you in charge of moving it elsewhere.

Pasted images have no structured placement protocols I can get a handle on.

Well,unless somewhere around the general proximity of the cursor's location is considered structured.
There are no precision protocols, that's my experience.
 
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I tend to agree with you but see it both ways. Offset pasting can be a pain but then if you need say 4 check marks that you just tweaked copying and pasting offset makes it easy to grab them and drag them to the destination
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Fair enough, but if your dragging the image anyway. Does the starting point matter all that much?
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Utterly superb - thank you so much for doing that Joe - that's had me flummoxed for weeks! 

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Well, Paul

This technique actually worked without distorting the selection in SnagIt.
I expected the selection would distort when I expanded it.
I really thought the edges would thin and the lines would thin as stretched.

So, with the box resized. Make a selection.


Drag the bottom downward.


Deselect and presto. Looks great.


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Yes, that is what I did in my example, I alluded to it in the comments.  I also expected it to distort the image but, thinking about it, since all you are doing is stretching vertical lines in the same plane, the lines just get duplicated pixel for pixel 
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It's still a lot of faffing around though
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This is more of a "Whats Wrong with the Copy and Paste functionality of SnagIt?" issue to me. If you copy and paste something from within the same image.It should paste itself in the same location it was copied from.Right down to the pixel. Putting you in charge of moving it elsewhere.
Sorry, but I don't agree with that Joe.  A slight offset allows me to identify the copy and move it easily.  Overlaying it on the original makes life difficult.
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I saw a example about copy and pasting multiple times.And a lot of repositioning I would call that several more steps.

Normally, if you stretch an image.It gets distorted.Like this copy and pasted square I just made.


I was quite shocked it worked to tell you the truth.
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In Joe's example you do see that the blue bar at the top and bottom are thicker due to the stretching. So that seems to indicate distortion. 
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Hi theoldfice

I'm likely missing something, but I took your example and operated on it. Here's the screencast showing what I did.

https://www.screencast.com/t/gNRESFlRhqp

Cheers... Rick :)
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Well that certainly sorts out MY example.  I need to try use that in anger and see what transpires.

Cheers Rick
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What example are you referring to, this one?  I'm beginning to wonder why I've throw my hat in the ring here.

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Rick, your example fills in a white background while expanding an image. So it does that well, what it doesn't do is auto fill that box and the border around it.

And it leaves smears as you indicated. Its a shame the tool doesn't work with more ease than that. There might be another way to get it to work better. 
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Yep, since the introduction of that option to fill the background, I've also longed for the ability to actually choose the fill color SnagIt uses myself as a third option.

Maybe they will change that in a future update.
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You can use the magic wand for that. Make a selection, adjust the tolerance of the selection  to taste. The magic wand can be slow,unfortunately.
Then, grab the fill tool, select a color and click inside a selected area.

Use Global Color Selection to select the color of choice across the entire image.

Or use without Global color. Select an area, and hold shift to get the + sign to select more areas.
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Yes Joe, correct, that is my example.  And just to prove that Rick Stone's method worked, here is the result.

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Not quite working exactly as we asked for, but still seems pretty simple, eh? ;)
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The trickiest part about it Rick is picking up the edge of the image when you do the selection.  It's like trying to thread a needle.  That's why It's be neat if it worked like cutout selection, where you only have to set the horizontal or vertical point and not worry about the other axis.

Oh, and you have to remember to set autofill to on

In fact, given the the smart fill functionality already exists, making an insert function shouldn't be that hard because the majority of the code exists already.  It just needs

  1. a tweak of the select function to mark out the insertion area similar to cutout
  2. to assume autofill is on.

and that would be it.
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Actually, I think you may be a bit mistaken about selecting the image bit. I'm quite easily able to click outside the image and begin dragging. No need to carefully ensure you are on the perfect edge of the image.

It may be helpful to zoom out a bit so you have room to see that edge of the canvas.

Give it a try. You may be surprised!
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Surprised?  Gob-smacked.  I've been using SnagIt since 2002.  How did I not know that?
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Hmmm, maybe that ability only came along in recent versions? I'm not sure. Like many things, I make discoveries only by sheer accident. LOL

Case in point. I'm fairly well known in the Windows help community. I used to be a Microsoft MVP for a number of years for the Windows Help technology. I posted lots of things to assorted forums and I operate my own web sites.

I was at a conference and was approached by a fellow help writer begging me to know how I achieved the effect I was using. (I was using that torn edge effect) I advised that it was just SnagIt's torn edge effect.


She was unimpressed and said noooo, I know all about the torn edge effect. Yours is different. Then it hit me. Oh yeah, you're right! 

What had happened was that one day I was working with an image and had applied the torn edge effect and for some reason forgot I did it and applied it again. Hmmmm, THAT was interesting! And after experimenting, I arrived at a standard where I would apply that effect three separate times to achieve what I call a "shredded edge" effect.

Unfortunately, changes to SnagIt later made that too difficult to achieve, so I don't use it any more. But here's an image showing SnagIt where I applied that effect three times:



Cheers... Rick :)
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I stand mostly corrected. LOL

However, the video showed how to remove text from a white background and make the surrounding area in question white.
Then expand that particular area. As a white background.

It didn't actually depict Paul's scenario.

It works well with Paul's image, I gave it a whirl myself.
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Rick - You're not missing anything at all - that is exactly what I wanted/needed to do - I know that probably seems like falling off a log to you - but to me that just put a massive piece into my jigsaw puzzle - thank you SO much for taking the trouble to do that - I really appreciate it ...

Now - on mine (also 2019) where I have dragged down the outlined selection it doesn't expand at the bottom - it just overlays on top of the existing copy and obscures it - how do I overcome this Rick - at the moment I am, it seems, solving one problem, and creating another ...
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You guys rock - thank you - I shall try all these out - brilliant masterclass :D

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It takes a village, no? ;)
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And every village has a ...
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Sorry - but we all have to learn ...
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The village idiot was an extension to Rick Stone's comment :it takes a village" ... a play on his words an in no way aimed in your direction at all.
This is the place to learn, but also have some fun
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A happy idiot, he is, this other Rick.

Should the two Ricks band together and form...



Nah, it's all good. LOL
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May I join as well (as a third Rick)?

I've also loved the pull-together tool and have wished for a pull-apart variant.  And I had also come to the conclusion that stretching a copy of the edge mostly works, albeit not super quickly or perfectly.  

However, as of today, I have 2019 and it's really improved things!
* You get the "you're centered" line confirmation when you pull the first selection away. 
* You also have the ability to make a selection outline and click it to convert it to a stretchable section! 

Anyway, as we all know know, this is a pretty quick task now.  Thanks for 2019!
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