Intel has 3 new webinars in May:

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Although meant for developers (like TechSmith).
1 - "Find and Debug Threading and Memory Errors at the Source." If developers don't know how to avoid problems, end-users pay the price.
2 - "Save Rending Time & Increase Image Quality with Free Open Source Library". As a Snagit & Camtasia user, I'm always interested in what's going on under the hood. Are you? 
3 - "Tips & Tricks to Analyze IoT Application performance in Minutes (not Hours)."

Instead of providing a list of minimum hardware requirements, TechSmith could offer s/w tools to bench-mark (evaluate) an end-users PCs for how well it will run TS software. i.e. Something on a par with https://www.userbenchmark.com/  ratings.

Yesterday, we had a user who insisted that 3 GB of available disk space (C:\) should be enough to install Camtasia. Rather than confronting such a user with uncomfortable facts, wouldn't it be nice to have a non-human program provide the bad news?

You can sign up for 1, 2 or all 3 webinars here: 

http://app.plan.intel.com/e/es?s=334284386&e=6374912&elqTrackId=6810133c3e7e4210bfe15ae271c159ae&elq=ed05794ae36545b594ea6f7c2145e462&elqaid=56561&elqat=1

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Ed, what a great idea, this is a forward thinking and efficient way of evaluating the minimums that and end user should have to get the most from the TS software.  However, this could potentially lower the sales of the Software to those people that buy on impulse thinking that they have a new computer or capability on their computer to run this software.  
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Initially, I think you are correct regarding lower sales. BUT eventually wouldn't it also make sense that fewer complaints means better word-of-mouth free advertising?  In the last few months users complained so much, TS rebated their cost to acquire. That can't be good for sales. 
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Ed, i completely agree with your assessment but unfortunately in my experience, sales drives the business direction more than the effect of complaint department.. one can only hope that there is a compromise somewhere in the middle and they both benefit.  
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Ultimately, it looks like TSC is moving towards a model of recurring revenue vs. a hit-it-and-quit-it single purchase. 

If your machine works with V8 but not v.2020, like you're eventually going to figure that out. 

How is this different than games that have a minimum system requirements that makes sure your games can handle it?   
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"Ultimately, it looks like TSC is moving towards a model of recurring revenue vs. a hit-it-and-quit-it single purchase. " I love that about TS and MS Office 365. Pay a known fee and stay current or not - your choice.

Paul - Let's say you want to play xyz game and a buddy tells you to have your machine tested at :   https://www.userbenchmark.com/ 
If it tests great, you go in confident that if the game sux, you know it's the game not your hardware.  If it comes out graded as a boat anchor, at least you know what to expect.

Yesterday I couldn't convince an "IT guy" Camtasia won't load because he only had 3 GB free on his C-drive.  Twice in the last year we've seen two fellows pick up Great Servers, XEON chips, gobs of memory and what they thought would be great 4-monitor video cards. The only problem they also had 4 or 8 or 16 NIC cards - all power to the rear wheels, none to the front, so Camtasia had a terrible time on them. How can anyone who just picked up what they thought was the deal of a lifetime and they turned out to be duds.  

Peruse Craigslist for "Computers", "Xeon" and if you live anywhere near hi-tech or universities, if you can pick them up yourself, $10 for a truck-load. Then they get re-sold on Craigslist for $100-$200 each. Not a bad profit. In this area it's a never ending stream. The same great deals are available for HGST HDDs. Truck load for $10 or pick them up at Amazon for < $ 50. 

I've got no skin in the game, I just hate to see unsuspecting rookies getting a "great" raw deal and if they had software that could give them fair warning . . . .
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Ed, this is glorious. I'm learning a lot more about my machine. 
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About this time last year, "techspot" ran a series of articles, this is the most recent:
https://www.techspot.com/article/1988-anatomy-graphics-card/  

They have 6 other "anatomies of . ." in the series. After reading the ones on CPU and mother boards I knew I had to start paying attention. At the time I was on a 4 year 4790K, Z97 which I thought was still highly regarded. 

While reading about your machine, pay attention to you future possibilities. Intel has on it's planning board the next 3 generations of Optane drives culminating in replacing RAM !!!
Can you imagine booting full up in a micro second? Oh, there will still be a small chunk of RAM for the HAL. I just hope I live long enough to see Intel's plans realized.
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Ed, this was an interesting read. It also brought back memories for me 3 years ago when i was trying to purchase a RELIABLE computer with 4 monitors to use in stock trading.   it would have been very helpful for company producing trading software to publish more details regarding the minimum computer hardware requirements which would allow the best (reliable) performance from the software.when you are using 4 + monitors.  it was very hard to get a good answer from any of the trading software companies for this.   The same point applies with Snag-it. Very few people use 1 monitor anymore, especially if you are running a business from it.  although most standard package computers will run 2 monitors with no issues, it is more problematic with 3 or more.  I have had a few issues with using snagit on my desktop with 4 monitors,but very little when doing the same work from my laptop. 
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rs - nvidia's Quadro P#### series cards can control up to 4 monitors - but meant for stock exchange data feeds, etc. - textual in nature and nothing going on at the speed of light, a refresh of every second or so is all that's needed. 
As game card, or for doing video work, they are terrible.  
I'm not sure which stock trading software you're referring to, but I think internet speed is the prime concern.
I run 3 monitors on my desktop, but all are identical is size and resolutions - never a problem with snagit.
My video GTX 1070 card has addressable max resolution of 7680 x 4320 - way beyond my 3
monitors, virtual space totals: 5760 x 1200. 

So regarding your 4 monitors and snagit, what physical size are they? and at what resolution are they set to? 
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So I think the question I have about max resolution is --- I have the following four monitors: 
- 3840 x 2160, qty of 2
- 1920 x 1080, qty of 2 

Total width: 11, 520
Total height: 6,480

Even with my 4K monitors turned down to 1440P, I was never going to be able to have 4 running at the same time. 

Am I understanding this right?  Like my GPU has slots for 4 displays, but it means 4 1080P displays. 
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What kind of video card do you have? Do any of your monitors rotate? Hook 'em up and experiment - you won't damage anything. 

Windows will give you a chance to "stack" or side-by-side the monitors:


And since #1 is not physically atop #2, it's really weird mousing around #1 & #2.
This set presents a 3840 x 2400 virtual view, with a 1920 x 1200 hole in the top left.

If I rotated all 3, (they're all ASUS PA248Q) a rotatable, so I could create a 3600 x 1920 space.
So depending how you set up your displays, you could:

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Ed, Thanks for all your helpful info, i like many other non-tech savvy people went to Dell and spent the evening on Chat with the sales rep trying to determine the correct desktop to get for a 4-monitor setup. as expected, they were no help with this so I went to BestBuy & sat with the Geek squad and discussed the same with them and finally picked out the Dell - XPS 8920 Desktop - Intel Core i7 7700 - 16GB Memory - 1TB Hard Drive + Intel Optane Memory - Silver. along with 4 Samsung LS22E310H , 1920 x 1080 resolution. (fit in my budget)

I was still only able to operate 3 monitors and was having issues running some of the charting software. I then purchased a Startech USB 3.0 Dual head Graphics Adapter - HDMI and DVI-I (USB32HDDII) which allowed me to get the 4th monitor working.   It has been working for over 2 years with relatively few issues. This was all done for less than $1200. (I used my bank card rewards to purchase the 4 monitors) I would really like to upgrade the computer to handle up to 6 monitors but am afraid that a new graphics card would not be the only thing I would need.  You know, the rabbit hole syndrome! 

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Your welcome!

You'll want to avoid a 3 or 4 graphics cards solution, the mother board by itself will blow the budget for this project and your next car.

Have you investigated integrating all 4 trading platforms into / onto one large 4K monitor? If you trading SW can create 4 graphic reports  on one monitor, that may be your best choice?

I'll let you investigate that and I suspect you software may be able to do that already. AOC has a 42" 4K monitor (You don't want a TV !!)

Take a look at these setups, just ideas:  (I think this is a 34" 4K monitor)
http://s3.amazonaws.com/digitaltrends-uploads-prod/2016/05/dell-p4317q-monitor-overview-1.jpg

https://www.blueauracomputers.com/webpics/customer/trading-computer-setup1.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a1/1e/f0/a11ef087f4d67e3dd7bb3e69afcb51dd.png

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/n6hx838yJf8/maxresdefault.jpg
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Ed, great suggestion on the single 4K monitor. i wasn't thinking in that line.  i will check with both platforms tech support if this can be an option but i assume it will work fine.  With only using the larger - 4k monitor (Dell P4317Q Monitor) for trading platforms., I assume i would be able to use the computer i have now or would i still need a new/different graphics card?
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". .  I assume i would be able to use the computer i have now or would i still need a new/different graphics card?" 
Regarding your Dell, can you provide the "service tag" number - should be a sticker somewhere on the PC. It's all I should need to look up its possibilities.

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Ed, i greatly appreciate you helping me with this.  the Service tag i found is DHFFXM2, build in 2018
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Here's what Dell has: 
https://www.dell.com/support/home/us/en/04/product-support/servicetag/0-a2tkWlJsVmtzN0IwZnJHeEllWS9x...

I know years ago, Dell built their systems backward, access thru the right panel, a feature cards headed left of the slot, so you had to buy any update from Dell.

UserBenchMark may be more informative on your system:  
https://www.userbenchmark.com/?redirFrom=userbenchmark.com&

This is the format it produces:




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Ed, thanks again for your help. i will use this information to further investigate with my local Geek squad guy to see what options i can afford. Have a great day and stay safe.