Is it possible to use box.net to share Camtasia Studio output with player controls?

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It is increasingly difficult, or expensive, to find public servers which allow hosting of Camtasia Studio player and files for our annotated replays. Our church moved to a hosted management system with no web services along with Weebly and Facebook. None of these services support or allow shared file folders.

Box.net is in use by some congregations, but has its own (basic) media player. Running a Relay server is out of the question. Any ideas on using box.net, or other Cloud Storage provider to host Camtasia Studio rendered custom player files and MP4 output? We mainly embed these into web sites, Facebook, Twitter feeds, etc.
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getsat3,

you could try google drive, dropbox, sync.com, viivo, onedrive (microsoft), cloudfogger, team drive, amazon cloud drive, wuala, cloudme, cx.com, sugar sync, spideroak, or copy.com

Most of these are free but the free accounts have a limit to how much storage they allow before you have to pay for more.

You are right that weebly (and wix) dont offer shared file file services. Those web site providers are pretty much locked into their own proprietary web design tools.

If you like, you could contact me. I might have some alternatives that you might like.

boudreaupaul@comcast.net
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I use our company's Box to store and share all of my Camtasia built videos due to its unlimited storage capability.  You then share the link to others.  They will be prompted to enter their name and email address the first time they access Box if they do not already have a Box account, and given a "Lite" Box account to gain access to anything you want to share.  Camtasia isn't supported directly in Box - but, they can open it if the end-user has Camtasia on their computer (if you want them watching the Camtasia formatted version).  Personally, I don't have others watch my Camtasia version - instead, I render it into the format I want (usually MP4 1080) and only share a link to that one.  Most people have a Windows Media player or other media player that will open it just fine.

Bottom line, I love Box and use it for nearly everything.  It is a great place to store my work and other files as well - again, because of its unlimited storage (I assume it is a paid version - not the freebee - well worth it if it is), as well as the filing system design that looks much like Windows.

I hope that helped.
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Thanks for the list. So far all Cloud providers tried allow hosting of the MP4 file rendered, but do not support uploading of the directory full of files that support the Camtasia Studio flash player. It is the streaming Camtasia Flash player function that requires the files with additional metadata for the callouts, closed captioning, etc that is the real value add to us for Camtasia. I am still using the Apache Web server with our Network solutions web hosting provider until that contract runs out in a month.

A few of the services you mention were new to me (Viivio, cloudfogger, spideroak). I have looked at all of the services including those 3 you mentioned and none of them list old fashioned web file sharing services which would allow the Camtasia Flash player to work!  Since the typical Camtasia Studio subdirectory with Flash Player, MP4 file, etc, is typically 200MB or so, the experience of waiting for a collection of files from a Cloud Storage provider to download, then clicking on the HTML file is not acceptable.

We are testing some hybrid cloud models where we use a NAS such as QNAP or Synology and their cloud services. Initial experiences are promising, but performance suffers compared to the Network Solutions Apache server. The bulk of our content, sermon replays, are being migrated to YouTube where we have few Camtasia extensions in use. 

Thanks for the feedback!
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getsat3,

I was thinking of something else but i havent tried to run native camstudio files from it. I don't have such a file. Is it possible for you to send me a generic one so i can test?

email provided above
Paul
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Here is a simple Camtasia Studio rendering with Flash Player controls:
   https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B4m8C6PP5pnBNm1LVTRxT0NZZTQ&usp=sharing

The replay may be started with the index.html file IF all the files are on a shared filesystem or web server shared directory. Note there are two subdirectories (subfolders) as well that contain metadata.

The player doesn't provide many of the nicer features used in longer (and much larger) replays, but the replay does allow speed control over the replay, fullscreen toggle, and volume control. It is those features such as support for table of contents and indices, along with the speed control, that are not supported by the Cloud MP4 players.

PS - it is the metadata and the extra Camtasia Flash Player controls that all of these Cloud Storage services strip out and replace with their own player, or force a downloading of the entire collection of Camtasia files to run on your local device/workstation.
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Tx, folks, the files are deleted - I had not meant to have this spin so far away from the original question.
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Hello there  getsat3-w4chl,

PaulBo is nothing more than a spammer fishing for business.

 He's fished for customers on at least one other post.https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/after-u-recorded-a-video-i-realized-it-had-a-lot-of-... I don't like spammers.

Judging by his first response he doesn't even know  whats required to host a Camtasia video with full player controls.  I wouldn't respond to him myself.
 
Unfortunately, I know your options are limited and I don't have any suggestions for you.


Regards, Joe
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Sorry to hear of past behaviour. Wondered why anyone posting here wouldn't have experience with the Camtasia Flash Player.

If any of you have other ideas for hosting Camtasia Studio files on commercial Cloud servers, thanks for posting! I did note in an obscure technote when v8 was released that there is an option for specifying a full path name for each file needed to replay when passing info to the Flash Player, but I can't find that technote. Certainly explains to me why Camtasia Relay product is licensed by many colleges for their Camtasia loving staff!

We are leaning more toward the hybrid cloud approach of a QNAP or Synology NAS pair, one very simple NAS only serving files that is port forwarded from our site's internet gateway (and on its own VLAN), replicating to another behind our 2nd firewall. For now, using the web server component of a NAS allows us to serve Camtasia Flash replays on our sites internal networks (intranets) very well!

Best, Mark
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Getsat3,

I just recently started using Camtasia studio so i'm learning as i go. I do have a business. I do look for work. I don't charge non-profits. I work with a couple churches and volunteer for peoplefund in Texas to get small businesses of the ground. Also, for established companies i never charge for advice or work unless my client agrees that i've brought some value to their company. I apologize if it seemed like i was attempting to solicit business from you. I admittedly don't know how to solve your problem at this time but i was trying to see if i could find something that would work for you.

I don't know why Joe sounds so hostile. I'm sure he doesn't know me. I hope he has a better day. 

regards
Paul
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Paul,
My response was off the cuff. In the beginning you responded to this post  by saying this.

 getsat3,
you could try google drive, dropbox, sync.com, viivo, onedrive (microsoft), cloudfogger, team drive, amazon cloud drive, wuala, cloudme, cx.com, sugar sync, spideroak, or copy.com
Which means you don't know what your talking about on this subject.

 You followed up your advice by giving out your personal e-mail address with an offer to help. I didn't read anything suggesting that you were offering to help free of charge. We get a lot of Spam like that in this forum at times.

If you are only offering Free Services than I apologize for the misunderstanding. I couldn't tell you how many man hours I've invested in this forum giving out free advice. 

If your looking for work that's another story. You've been a member of this forum for just three days now. You ask people to contact you for further advice. That smells like spam to me.

Regards, Joe
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Hey Joe,

not a problem. I don't feel it's appropriate to solicit business on a user forum. The whole concept of a user forum is to help one another. The reason i ask people to contact me is that i don't want to potentially publicly post alternatives that could be considered as taking business away from Techsmith. I really like their products and i wouldn't want to do that. So to be on the safe side i ask people to contact me. Also, there is no need to clog up the forum with half baked ideas. After my first response i realized i needed to better understand of their issue and i felt it would be better to take that conversation off the forum. There is or was no malicious intentions.

I can understand your perception, since i did post previously about my business. My only intention there was to say that i know alot about open source solutions and that knowledge might help find a solution. I asked that user to contact me for the same reasons i asked getsat3 to contact me. I can be a bit of a marketer, so I really understand why you saw my post as a shameless plug. My apologies. Again, i wouldn't charge anyone on a user forum, but i wouldn't mind good references if i can help them and they were happy with my help.

I definitely am looking for work but not paid work on this or any user forum. I like being busy, paid or not. It helps hone my skills. 

Btw. i applaud your investment in this forum. I hope i can help as many people.

regards
Paul
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have you tried hosting on TechSmith's Screencast.com; it supports all interactive content, and is simple to use: simply produce and share to Screencast.com

the service is free, with limited bandwidth and storage, but they also offer a paid-for version if you need to bulk up

I host almost all my stuff on my own web site; I use a hosting service called Exabytes; they are a world-wide provider, and their rates are extremely inexpensive.  I've been with them since 2003.

You might also look into Microsoft's Azure Cloud offerings; I have stuff there, and it too is very easy to work with.  Azure enables you to easily set up web sites; a web site is required to support the full produced file set from a Camtasia.Studio production
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Kayakman, 

Azure is a very good idea. Also, (in case getsat3 doesnt know) you can spin down your server whenever you want and park it. Microsoft only charges for the time it is running. So it should be reasonably cheap if you're only using it for sermons and such.

I have an azure account and the files you shared with me. I'll test it and see what the results are.

Paul
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just be sure that you upload your produced Camtasia Studio videos to an Azure web site, and not a storage account; and, you'll need to upload all the files that are in each production file set [keep them in their own subfolders]

not sure what you're referring to by "...the files you shared with me..."?

good luck with your testing

please let us know what happens
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kayakman,

sorry i meant the files that getsat3 shared with me. He/she shared a set of camtasia files that they use on google drive. i downloaded them locally.

So, i created a web site on azure and ftp'ed the files that getsat3 shared with me. Then i browsed to the address and for some reason it doesn't work. It is probably something i'm doing wrong or something i didn't configure correctly on the server. I created a short screencast of my failed attempt. Maybe you will notice something i did wrong. 

I was able to run the index.html locally and it worked of course.. so i know that it will work. That's why i think i didnt configure something correctly on the azure web server

here is the screencast

http://screencast.com/t/hAW9TKCxnk6
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normally, you would launch the video by using the xxx_player.html file; a normal CS production to MP4 w/controller will have both a xxx.html and xxx_player; not sure what the "index" file is you are referring to?

can you try that?
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Let me show you the list of files i received. i assumed they sent me an index.html because the player was embedded in it. it works when i browse the index.html locally on my laptop

here is what the index.html looks like. I assumed they did it that way so that when you go to the site it would launch because browsers run index.html by default.

http://screencast.com/t/Bkiuz49Tzx56

having trouble pasting the index.html
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the index file in the list is not one created by Camtasia

try targeting a link address that points to the file [already there in list] that ends in _player.html

does that work to launch the video?
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If you go to this link you should be able to download the index.html. I've set it to expire tomorrow

http://www.prod.boudreaupaul.com/owncloud/index.php/s/MAEzXahfZiDsiVc
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i figured it wasn't. i believe it was created by getsat3. I believe they created it to embed the player inside it.
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I don't want the index file

can you give me a direct URL to the _player.html file?
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i'll try pointing to the player.. I deleted the server because i didnt want to get charged for it. I can easily set it up again though... Azure is cool like that. :)
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I believe you can set up up to 10 free web sites in an Azure account; they have limited specs [bandwidth, disk storage], but should be sufficient for you to test against; you can always upgrade a free site to a pay-as-used one
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wait a second.. I ran the player locally. i might have figured it out. I think its the browser. When i tried to run it from azure i was using IE edge (their new browser). It gave me a weird message about not allowing active X and i clicked the allow button... I thought that would be good... i just tried using edge locally and i get the same issue. When i run it locally with firefox it works fine.
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damn,
i tried it on azure again with chrome and firefox. i did point it at the player.html. Same result.
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make sure that the Azure web site has been configured to enable MP4 as a MIME type?
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Guys, I am closing this thread. I was not aware of screen cast. However we have streamed files like this for years from different Apache servers. What we were trying to figure out: is it possible to run from a cloud service, most of them use object storage instead of file system base storage model while using the Camtasia Flash player. The other comments here have spin a bit far from my request.

We were not seeking a consultant. Thank you but I think we can take it from here.

PS - index.html is a copy of the other HTML file.
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BTW - the Flash player enhances the MP4 replay using the metadata in the other files. We understand that, just not how to use an object storage instead of shared filesystem storage.
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I looked into using an Azure store account [object storage, I think] to host CS video productions; not possible; hosting those videos, with interactivity, requires hosting on a web site account [I believe] which supports file system storage

when I was looking into this issue, I contacted Azure tech support; they could not define any way to use a CS production file set off of a storage account

FYI, it seemed that Azure storage accounts are much less expensive than is an Azure web site
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For any who may be looking at this, we found a different solution: YouTube!   Rather than do all the post-production including markers in Camtasia Studio, we do the audio, callouts, and video basic post-production in Camtasia Studio, then upload to YouTube and use the "Annotations" capability fairly recently added to the YouTube editor.

Though this is not as flexible as use of markers in Camtasia along with Camtasia's custom player, we have not yet used more than 5 annotations. We still do use a hybrid NAS/cloud server (QNAP NAS and their myqnapcloud service) for the raw multimedia files collected at the church, but the public sees a YouTube channel, playlists, and the annotations appear as clickable links on screen.

Thanks for all the alternatives proposed during the discussion here!