Media Bin items not added to timeline in sorted order

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When I have multiple files that I want to combine into one output file (after some editing), I find that even if they're named in a clearly sortable way, they don't always get added to the timeline in the right order. I find that it's 50/50 whether it works correctly or not. Here are some examples and the order they were added to the timeline:

2,3,1:
Some File Name 1 of 3.mp4
Some File Name 2 of 3.mp4
Some File Name 3 of 3.mp4

2,3,4,1
Some File Name 1of4.mp4
Some File Name 2of4.mp4
Some File Name 3of4.mp4
Some File Name 4of4.mp4

Luckily I don't usually have more than 4 files, so it's fairly easy to work around it. I either give up on the group-select right-click then "Add to Timeline at Playhead", or I let it add them, then move clip 1 up to the next track, slide all the other tracks to position 0 then drag clip 1 onto the end.

Is there a better way I can name the files (because it's usually me that names them) so that the sorting logic in Camtasia 9 gets it right all of the time when adding multiple files to the timeline at once?
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this is a well known issue; affects both CS9 and CS2018; clips do not go on per the sort order in the bin; the order is determined by the file names [or is supposed to]; I refreshed a bug report about this just a couple of months ago

some workaround suggestions ...

manually name every file; use file names that start with a number, and contain no spaces; like 01_SomeFileName, 02_AnotherFileName, etc

after putting the files in the bin, save project, exit Camtasia, re-launch, reload project; this seems to enable logically named files to go on timeline in expected order

this issue also shows up when a multiple selection is dragged/dropped onto timeline

the behavior is flakey; often only the 1st file is displaced, usually to last on the timeline

overall, I now just use numerical names, like 001, 002, 003; or 001_image, 002_image, etc.

I work with many projects that have hundreds of files named like the image approach above; that schema never gives any problems; don't know why

I get the impression that this behavior may be related to Camtasia's auto-naming function in Recorder, and how Camtasia treats the 1st file placed in the bin
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It may be a file system behavior. If I drag 10 mp3 files into the VLC media player, it too places the first file into 10th position: 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1
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I get what you're saying Ed, I've seen that in Windows explorer too if you choose a bunch of numbered files and drag them anywhere (another folder, another application) ... it always puts the 1st one last. To try and workaround this, I tried adding my 3 files into Camtasia 9 one by one (#1, then #2, then #3) and it didn't make a difference.

I'll try your suggestion of putting the number first (01_, 02_, etc).

Kayakman, I've just thought of another idea to add to your workflow. I'll have a dummy short clip and name it 00_something.mp4. That will be my superfluous file that I drag and drop along with my real files that are numbered from 01_ onwards. Then when the 00_ clip finds itself at the end, instead of having to drag clips around the timeline, I just delete the last clip.
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good idea re just deleting the 1st "dummy" file; I had not tried that :)

when I used to use Recorder's auto-naming function, to get around the way it always named the 1st capture in a series, I'd do a dummy capture for the first, do the rest, then never use the 1st in a project; that approach too also seemed to get around the problem

another thing ... I've found that if importing multiple sequentially named files at same time, selecting each one at a time, then dragging/dropping to timeline usually avoided the problem; but when bringing in hundreds of files, that approach is impractical
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Yeah well,

I tried to make Camtasia error yesterday and I couldn't. Here's 2  such examples.

And number 2.


The only time I could create a file that was added out of order? Was when I accidentally added a extra space before typing a file name.
Like.

1. Trying This
2. Trying  This
3. Trying This

Number 2 would become out of order due to that one extra spacing error on my part. Other than that, I couldn't reproduce the error.

kayakman said he had been reporting it as a bug and it's a well know issue. So I quit trying to create the error. 
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well Joe, I just happened to do a series of 10 different project test regarding this issue, earlier this AM; I was able to reproduce the issue every time
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see for yourself ...

Go On Timeline Issue
http://www.screencast.com/t/iejgBpA6x
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Well kayakman.

It appears you may have already identified the real problem? "Auto Naming" So, Stop auto naming your files.

I never do or have. You end up with countless files without an identity. I let the preview window open and name my files as I save them.

In this video you will see examples of flawless importing.


You can stick with a failed filing system, wait for TechSmith to correct this.

Let’s see Camtasia 9 was released 2 years ago. Yeah, why change your ways now? A fix is probably right around the corner?

Or adapt and overcome. Revert back to auto naming files when it's fixed. I can't promise you it will work, but it sure works for me.

The problem most certainly resides within Camtasia, not Windows. So lets lay the blame at the foot of the offending software.

Regards,Joe

Or do nothing and Live with the problem.  The choice is yours the way I see it.


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well Joe, as I stated above, the issue also occurs with sequentially, manually named files; it is not limited to using auto-number
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Well I just proved I don't have a problem and can reproduce it all day long.

So the disconnect may be a windows update?I doubt it, my files go back years. One things for sure.

I don't have the problem and you do.
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glad you're not affected

more show and tell ...

More On Go On Timeline Issue
https://www.screencast.com/t/HkvBtHSQ5RT

definitely not a windows update thing; tech support has acknowledged it exists [over past several years, most recently few months ago]; and, as you see from this thread, others experience it too

every since CS9 beta days, it has been a consistent, reproducible behavior
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So anther one of those. "TechSmith will Probably Never Correct This" bugs.

GOOD GOD kayakman, why didn't you just report this in the first place?????????????????????????

If you were aware that this has been a problem for "SEVERAL YEARS" You start with that acknowledgment. 

You could have saved me and everyone else the trouble of attempting to/or actually reproducing an issues that has existed for years.

Several years involves Camtasia 8 as well.
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Joe, go back and read what is in this thread; I said I had reported this as a bug long time ago; and several times at that over the years; again, most recently a few months back

what don't you understand here?
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I just got this email notice but the post is no where here to be seen ..

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Media Bin items not added to timeline in sorted order


Here's my current version of Windows.


Like it or not. When someone like me has no issues with a particular issue like this. That suggests the problem must lie elsewhere in most cases.
Obviously, Camtasia wasen't designed to work flawlessly on my system but not yours. 

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FYI, I use Windows 10 Pro 64; last updated earlier this week

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Joe I don't think you "see" that the problem is only correctable by Microsoft. As a programmer, I can't move the mouse without the help of the OS's API that actually does the moving for me. In fact they have APIs that work best on AMD chips and other APIs that work best for Intel chips and my compiler knows to put both in my code.  Draw a square with your mouse and move all the files that lie within to somewhere else? Likely involves 10,000 lines of code that exist within 8 or 10 APIs.
Now say for a moment TechSmith could correct MS APIs and 3 months down the road, MS changes the API and now 100,000 installations of Camtasia fail completely.
Admittedly, I'm not a very good programmer, but I know enough to appreciate the heck out of the 10 million lines of code that reside in 10,000 APIs - all available to me and 100 million other programmers, free of charge. In fact I think of one of my programs as being a 100 story building, it's my building but all I had to do it put the deck furniture on the roof. 
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Here's what you posted kayakman
this is a well known issue; affects both CS9 and CS2018; clips do not go on per the sort order in the bin; the order is determined by the file names [or is supposed to]; I refreshed a bug report about this just a couple of months ago

That's what you posted at the start of the post . There's no mention of the issue dating back several years. So I wasted my time perusing the issue.


No you didn't. You brought it up  just  2 hours ago.



Ed Covney, I removed my Windows post because when I hit enter to post it.

There was kayakmans with acknowledgment that TechSmith was aware of this and had been for "Several Years".

So Windows was only a possibility in my mind in the first place. Thats why I wrote So the disconnect may be a windows update? With a Question Mark following the sentence.

Had kayakman acknowledged this dated back to Camtasia 8 and Camtasia 9 beta. I would have never bother to comment at all. Let alone create a video. 

 If it's a Windows problem, so be it.

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I never said it was a CS8 issue; only CS9 and CS2018.  In face, it worked correctly in CS8

and Joe, you and I discussed this this very same issue in a thread here back in July 2017

and, in my 1st post in this thread, I said I "refreshed a bug report ...", as you quoted above; my records show that was back in June this year

Joe, exactly what is your point in all this?  And what "video" did you create that you're talking about? ["Let alone create a video"]


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Camtasia 9 is 2 years old.

Several years would involve Camtasia 8.

My Point? Once again, A bug that is several years old and hasn't been resolved requires no  testing.

I wasted my time testing for the bug.

Ed Covney wasted him time testing for the bug.

You wern't clear on the issue until pressed. And then, you responded as if actually you were. And I was mistaken about what I had read.
Once again, you didn't acknowledge TechSmith was aware of the issue was several years old until very recently. 2 hour ago, this topic was opened yesterday.


And then you posted to me . Look what I said, I told you so .That was just  an hour ago.


You enlighten me after I create a video showing you I don't have a problem? After several postings.Yes, you wasted my time.
No more. I've had enough of this nonsense and your deflections
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my initial post here explicitly said "this is a well known issue; affects both CS9 and CS2018"; how then could you possibly assume it also involved CS8? FYI, I worked with CS9 betas for 3 years before it was publicly released; so do the math, time wise

and I guess I misunderstood you when you said you made a "video" [which was not shared here] when you probably meant you made a "project" [per you screenshot images]

I still don't know why you've gotten so up tight about this; you've know about this issue since May 2017

perhaps refresh your disk ...

https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/media-being-added-to-timeline-in-wrong-order-from-newest-to-oldest-instead-of-oldest-to-newest-camtasia-9

but I agree with you, enough is enough

enjoy the rest of your weekend

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UPDATE

I finally got an "official" explanation ...

CS9 and CS2018 both use "time-placed-in-bin" to determine sort order when multiple clips are placed on timeline at same time; clip name is not involved, just a time stamp that is associated with each clip

if working on the typical screencast project [ i.e., not screencasting a Camtasia tutorial], the sort issue can be avoided by setting Recorder to "add-to-bin"; if a sequence of captures is then multiple selected, they can be sent to timeline in correct order [again, based on the time they individually go into the bin]

however, if working on a screencast of a Camtasia tutorial, there is only one practical workaround if a lot of captures are involved: use CS8 to initially assemble the project where multiple selected clips need to be placed on the timeline at the same time; CS8 does not have the "time-in-bin" limitation, and sorts are based on clip name; so a sequence of logically named captures works

I've also found that if the project involves lots of markers, and perhaps a quiz, CS8 works better because its new marker function and quiz UI are far better than in CS9 or CS 2018; and I still think the CS8 UI is far easier on the eyes than the UI in CS9/CS2018

Once the project is initially assembled, then it can be opened in CS 2018 for further editing and production

How To Use CS8 To Start Build Out Of CS 2018l Camtasia Tutirial Projects That Use Multiple Sequential Captures
http://www.screencast.com/t/iNirIV3gTse

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Thanks for that update. I'm glad then that 99% of my edit jobs are 2-3 clips (1% being 4 or 5 clips) so re-ordering them is not so painful
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I've had success recently with simply making sure (in Windows btw) to always select the lowest numbered file first (in Explorer) and using shift-click or shift-down-arrow to select the rest in order and only then do I drag and drop into Camtasia 9. Then to double-up the power of the effect, in the media bin I'll select the lowest number first and use the same selection technique before right-clicking and adding to timeline. So far, it's succeeded each time in ordering them properly on the timeline. I can't say it's a solution yet, but it's worked half a dozen times. If I don't come back and contradict this post, then it continued being a solution.
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thanks for the tip, DeeDee