Newbie General Questions For Camtasia 8 on Windows 7 and 8 PC (help?) PART TWO!

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Hi folks,

Having had a long running thread: Newbie General Questions For Camtasia 8 on Windows 7 PC (help?) at https://feedback.techsmith.com/techsmith/topics/newbie-general-questions-for-camtasia-8-on-windows-7... , it was suggested that I open a new/follow-up discussion relating to the same topic.

This will include CAMTASIA 8 running on either DELL PC Win_7 or Win_8.1, CUBASE ARTIST (DAW), SENNHEISER PC 36 mic/headset, LOGITECH 720 HD, and there is a STEINBERG CI2+ external soundcard (for CUBASE).

I will continue the conversation from where I left off if you don't mind.  As well as adding a new question as of yesterday.

Many thanks in advance.

Best,

Paul David Seaman (UK)
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<tail end of previous discussion . . .>

Hi,

Anyway, did have a bit of a rethink and this might turn everything on it's head again.  I spent a good couple of hours yesterday reconsidering everyone's advice and messing with the gear:

One option would be to use the Win_7 for CAMTASIA and CUBASE: but (because I am still experiencing slight LATENCY issues with the NORD synth [it is easy to cope with a slight bit of LATENCY on the VOICE, but difficult to play along with IN TIME on an instrument!]) I have discovered this is as a result of NOT using CUBASE with it's designed DRIVERS (ie I am going through a 3rd party VOICEMEETER [http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/] program so that CAMTASIA can capture CUBASE as system sound [otherwise all of the CUBASE audio BYPASSES the Windows soundcard). 

Now I did make a VIDEO on the last paragraph recently which I shared with a friend of mine (who uses CUBASE).  Please see next post (if interested).

So, if I :

1 - kill off the middle man (VoiceMeter) and instead just stick to the CUBASE soundcard/ASIO driver,

2 - do NOT record any AUDIO whatsoever with CAMTASIA, and therefore only use it for basic SCREEN CAPTURING,

3 - purchase a DIGITAL RECORDER to capture all of the AUDIO instead,

4 - if the Win_8 can't cope with capturing the LOGITECH WEBCAM and Sennheiser headset mic in CAMTASIA (as a 'WEBCAM VIDEO'), then either blow out the VIDEO all together, or purchase a CAMCORDER.

. . . then surely (at the very least) my Win_7 should be able to cope with running this set-up?  Plus, it will cure the LATENCY issue between my NORD and CUBASE because I am using an external device for recording, blowing out the VOICEMETER software middle man, and using CAMTASIA for only basic SCREEN CAPTURE.

This will of course raise other questions, but I wondered, on a fundamental level, if this would work or not?  As you can see, I have tried to find a workaround of which incorporates at least some advice from everyone.

Best,

Paul
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Hello again,

Here is the video I made a couple of weeks ago (for an online mate over in Washington, US) for anyone interested in how I have CUBASE, CAMTASIA and the VOICEMETER all set up.  However, I am thinking of ditching it (VM) if possible, due to, as mentioned above, LATENCY with the NORD synth and CUBASE (albeit only slight, it does still impair on one's live performance):

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByepppzJGXGeTkZvY3MtU1FXaTA

VOICEMETER I think, for what I want, is the best of a bad bunch I suppose.  All of the other similar softwares I tried over time cause endless major issues in one way or another.

This video is quite verbose so you may fall asleep half way thru.  Although I dare say out of the 100's of members on this forum, one or two may find it somewhat interesting/useful (although the discussion on VOLUME and the SM58 MIC are probably superfluous to this thread) .

Just to reiterate, the LATENCY issue has not been cured (after trying every imaginable permutation [and you have to REBOOT your PC every time you adjust a setting in VOICEMETER! Grrr]).  Hence, is why I am thinking of using a DIGI RECORDER instead (as mentioned in my above post).

This was ALL performed on the Win_7 PC exclusively.

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Howdy,

Quite a few questions buried within this one please. And so I hope that I am able to explain everything clearly enough:

If I want to use a LOGITECH WEBCAM (720 HD) on my WINDOWS PC for SCREEN CAPTURE, and RECORD the NARRATION (ie my VOICE) via a SENNHEISER P36 USB mic/headset, then there seems to be a couple of options:

Firstly though, I will rule out using the mic on the LOGITECH webcam.  And also, obviously, the WINDOWS PC on board webcam.

So, I am given the choice of either recording the webcam as a 'webcam video' (I think it is called).  This is where you use the TOP LH CORNER window and related settings.  Or, I can use the 'record the screen' option in the BOTTOM RH CORNER (as if you were recording everything, but then upon EDITING, you DELETE the files you don't need/want [so in my case I would DELETE the SCREEN CAPTURE I think?]).

To narrow down this choice of two options (two hopefully one!) if I may, I would to clarify that if possible, I would like to be able to VIEW my face (or wherever/whatever I point the webcam towards), as LARGELY as possible on the screen.  Not necessarily the whole screen, but at least the size as the TOP RH CORNER PLAYBACK WINDOW.  If I record (webcam) as in screenshots 1, 2 and 3, then it seems I have to work from the webcam video window (size).  And if I record as in screenshots 4 and 5, then it appears I have to manage with the very small window in the record screen toolbar.

Next, in the second and third screenshots, you will see that there is a drop-down(s) offering a vast plethora of BIT RATES and kHz formats.  As well as some options within the AUDIO FORMAT. But I think these parameters only apply if you are using the video webcam method?  First and foremost please, which is the BEST setting for NARRATION in CAMTASIA?  Secondly, there are many passionate debates about which configurations are best chosen for YOU TUBE (which is what I ultimately intend to use the finished products for).  So I am not at all sure which takes precedence here? In CUBASE I almost always use 16 Bit/44.1kHz

Please see screenshots:











So that's enough for now (just to get this thread going!).

Many thanks in advance . . .

Paul
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Hi again,

Since having a major rethink of my situation (long term solution!) and the ongoing issues:

I am going to sell privately my Win_7 PC. The reason being is that after 3 x years of many issues arising (and much wasted time and money!), it has become very apparent that a DESKTOP PC would be overall more stable and suited towards my wants and needs. I have a Win_8.1 PC which is fine and I will keep this.  It has been in the back of my mind for a while now but I was not prepared to accept the situation and cut my (many!) losses.

The Win_7's current SPEC is:

Dell Inspiron N5040, Windows 7 Home Premium, 8GB RAM, 2.13gHz, 64-bit, Intel Pentium, Service Pack 1.

I am running film software CAMTASIA 8, and music softwares CUBASE ARTIST 8 and SIBELIUS 7 on it at present.  And it is just not coping.  The Win_8.1 is much better, but once you start throwing in the webcam, then it overloads on the CPU.

After 6 x weeks of trying to get CAMTASIA and CUBASE/SIBELIUS to RUN simultaneously, even between the 2 x machines, I am still getting issues!  And I have gone thru so many third party AUDIO bridging software (trial versions) it's unreal!

I think I have a good 15 x years or so music-making in me, and obviously everything is getting BIGGER and more POWERFUL!  I would think that in another 5 x years time I would be needing to pretty much ditch my Win_7 anyway.  So I may as well take the plunge now.  Otherwise, I would have to buy a CAMCODER and possibly as DIGI RECORDER to be able (get round) to do want I want to do.

Cheers,

Paul
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You won't regret the move to a desktop. I applaud your decision and wish you luck.
Regards, Joe 
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Cheers JM,

It is not too often that someone actually 'LIKES' one of my posts!  Ha ha . . .

Not sure if you want to attempt ALL of these questions as there are, typically as per usual, quite a few! lol

Yes Joe, to be honest, the whole thing has been a total head-wreck I can not even begin to describe!  I have spoken to a LOT of people this month and the general consensus is that I need to take the DESKTOP route.

But, in order to free up some dosh (plus I could never justify owning the 3 x PC's), I have some important questions relating to my soon to be sold Win_7 please:

Will I need to REFORMAT the Win_7 before its sale?  Because I was thinking, what if I, instead, totally skipped on the REFORMAT and just DELETED and UNINSTALLED everything else on the machine? I don't have a reloadable CD with the OS on, and I do not think you can download Win_7 anymore (only Win_8 upwards)? At least not for FREE.

But then, do I sell it without a copy of WINDOWS on? And will this make any difference to the price I can sell it for? And would eBay be the best option for marketplace?

Secondly, regarding CAMTASIA 8, do I have to UNREGISTER it from the Win_7? I know that you are allowed 2 x licenses maximum. I would definitely be using it on the new DESKTOP PC (though I am still wanting to keep the Win_8.1 exclusive for CUBASE and SIBELIUS).  But obviously I don't want it to be REGISTERED to a laptop I no longer own!

And finally please, on the REPLACEMENT (desktop) PC, would you install Win_10 (which I believe was actually released today), or Win_8.1?  I ask because I have heard (somewhere) that the AUDIO DRIVERS are much more dedicated towards being used with a DAW such as (my) CUBASE (rather than the naff ones which are typically included).

The DESKTOP is likely to cost circa 700GBP, and so if I could get a couple of hundred quid for the Win_7 I would be fairly happy.  But as I say, I have never sold a laptop before so I am not sure how much it might raise, nor of the best method of sale?

Anyway, that's enough for now!

Many thanks . . .

Paul
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If it were me? I would just delete any programs that you have installed. Then, I would transfer any files I wanted to save to another machine. Then delete those as well.

I would leave Windows 7 on the machine. I don't see any reason to remove it. I don't believe the value of the computer goes up because it has an operating system.

 I'm certain that the value would probably go down if it did not. If the person purchasing the machine wants to put a different operating system on it? That would be up to them.

Once you have uninstalled everything you are removing from the computer. Running a  drive wipe utility isn't a bad idea. A free utility like CC cleaner will overwrite all the free space left on your machine. Making it more difficult for anybody to ever extract any information on your computer left behind by you. Just because you delete files. It doesn't  ensure that some of that information cannot be recovered by someone else. A drive wipe is if nothing else, a little peace of mind.

You may want  to talk to TechSmith about  whether you should  un-register Camtasia. I have never unregistered Camtasia when I have removed it from another computer in the past. I don't know that you have to.

As far as Windows 10 goes. I'm on the fence with that operating system. I'm one of the few people that seems to be perfectly content with Windows 8.0. I have never felt the need to even step up to Windows 8.1.

I read an article on Windows 10 that says when running the home version of Windows 10. You have no control over Windows updates. Whereas the Pro version, allows you to control Windows updates. I prefer to have full control over whether or not I install an update and when they install.

There are times that I am running programs programs like Adobe Photoshop, After Effects, and Premier Pro simultaneously. Those programs are capable of linking together dynamically .

What that means? If I make a change to an image in Photoshop  that I have linked to After Effects and Premier Pro. The changes I make to the image in Photoshop,  will update and change in the other programs, without me doing a thing. That's one of the nicest features Adobe has added to their editing suite in my opinion.

 The bottom line is that those are all processor intense programs. So if Windows starts updating itself while I'm working in a multi-platform configuration like that. It  interferes with the overall performance of the computer adversely . This used to occur to me occasionally.  I've learned to shut off automatic updates. Plus, I install updates when I feel like it.

For now they're going to have to pry Windows 8.0 out of my cold dead fingers, LOL.

But this is my take on the whole thing, I may be full of crap on something. I don't really know? That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Seek others advice as well.

Good luck with the new computer I'm sure you're gonna love it. To be honest, I got a little tired of the problems your underpowered computers were giving you as well. LOL

Regards, Joe

 

 

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Thanks Joe,

I will reply in full tomorrow.

I have CC CLEANER on my Win_XP and it is superb!  Though I only have used the obvious TOOLS.  Never heard of a DISK WIPE before so I really appreciate that one alone thanks!

You know, I think you are CORRECT about the PRO version of Win_10.  That rings a bell now.  I am not sure how much price difference there is between that and it's standard version?  I would guess a 100 quid, but I hope not!

Best,

Paul
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Joe,

I will email TechSmith about whether or not I need to UNREGISTER the CAMTASIA from the Win_7 PC.  It's not really worth making a phone call over this.

I will probably do what you kindly suggested and use the CCLEANER etc. I can always state this in the ADVERT as ask if any potential buyers would prefer me to REFORMAT it also.

Still not sure if to use GumTree or eBay to sell the Win_7 though?

If you are content with your Win_8 then obviously stay as you are!  No point in changing if you have everything synced etc. I have DISABLED all UPDATES, SCANS, etc on my Win_8.1 and this is a much better way of having things.  I can chose WHAT I want, and WHEN I WANT it!

But I am going to go for WIn_10 on the new coming DESKTOP.  It is just a matter of distinguishing between the standard and PRO versions.

Cheers,

Paul
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Hi,

DELL are sending me a WINDOWS 7 REFORMAT CD this week which should arrive in 7 x working days.  It restores it back to FACTORY SETTINGS. So I may used this.  Apparently, it is worth 50GBP?!

Would you INCLUDE the CD in the sale of the Win_7 PC?  I mean, could it bump up the price a little?

DELL VALUED my Win_7 PC at around 260BGBP.

Thanks,

Paul
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Joe I have used the System Image Recovery and it went without a hitch. I got everything back included software, drivers, etc. without having to reinstall everything again. Love this feature option.
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That's good to hear. Like I said, I try to create a system image every 3 months tops. 
I have always had 3 system images available and I delete the oldest one with every backup.
 I also have a system image from when the computer was new. And them another with all the internet settings, Wi-Fi, and those types of features ready to go. 
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Fred,

Do you also use the WINDOWS onboard TOOL?

Paul
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Yes Paul I used the Windows 7 Built In System Image Tool and the one on Windows 8 too with no problems. Hope that helps you.
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Fred,

Ok great.  I might check it out on my Win_8.1.

I am still in the process of loading on some remaining CUBASE/STEINBERG/SIBELIUS softwares.

Paul
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Thanks JM,

I did not know it could be performed natively (in Windows).

Not sure how much a third party software version would cost though?

Gee, you really do System Image quite regularly don't you! lol

Hopefully soon I might finally get to do something with this CAMTASIA thing I have bought!

Ta,

Paul
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I think Windows had a bad reputation in the past. I haven't seen any negative reports or warnings  in recent years. Just how to information on the backup system.

  I  think third party software offers other features. 

I try to create a fresh backup about every 3 months. My reasoning is this.
 By doing that, I could avoid recovering most of my recent files manually.

 I'm running Barracuda 7200 RPM SATA Hard Drives 6 .0 Gb/s

 Once these hard drives spin up to speed { only takes a second } .

They can read and write as fast as a SSD. You can get 2TB of fast storage for around $120 US. the last time I checked.
A 2TB SSD will set you back 5 or 6 times as much.

 I can create a 500GB system Image in less than 2 hours. Makes the whole process pretty easy.
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Ta JM,

I dread to think what a 2TB SDD would cost! lol

Do your DISK IMAGES save as a COMPRESSED FILE?  Otherwise, they will be large!

I am quite looking forward to this new desktop scenario now!

I just contacted TechSmith to ask about UNREGISTERING my CAMTASIA and SNAGIT from the (soon to be sold) Win_7.  Always best to double check these things I think!

I am keeping Win_8.1 on my other PC.  But INSTALLING Win_10 on the new DESKTOP.  It appears that, roughly speaking, the latter mentioned in HOME version is around 80GBP, and in PRO is around 115GBP.  The AUDIO spec's are identical to each other, but (as you said last night) you are NOT able to DISABLE the UPDATES etc in the HOME version!

Oh, I meant to ask please: do you think I will need to UNREGISTER my copy of  WORD 2007 form the Win_7 also?

Cheers,

Paul
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I looked up SSD's before I responded earlier.
They are actually cheaper than I expected, but I'm not buying one.



I had some time to think about it. I believe when you register your software with the manufacture, that's all you are doing. Your not actually registering your computer with them. Your just locking in your rights to the software for the most part. " I think"
I'm curious to hear what TechSmith has to say about the matter.
Time to log off now, take care.
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Hi JM,

I hope it is permissible to paste the TS reply I just received this morning concerning my UNINSTALL question.

Hopefully it may also help other forum members.

Please see below post:

Thanks,

Paul
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Hello Paul,

You are correct, we ask that you uninstall the software from your old computer before reinstalling on your new computer. Your single license can be installed on up to two machines- for example you can install your program on both a desktop and a laptop. As long as you are the only user, and you're not using both computers at the same time, this is a valid use of your license.

If you have any further questions, please let me know!
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Hi,

I have a scaled-down/skeleton version of Win_8.1 on my laptop which works just fine (ie there is no unwanted BLOATWARE on it!).

I wondered if Win_10 will be offering the same alternative equivalent (might anyone know please)?

Paul

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Probably take people a while to sort out Windows 10 features?

Cheers
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yes it will Joe and Microsoft will probably still have updates for it as they usually do or have releases to public but bugs are always found. At least that is what I have found from my experience in the past.
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JM,

So you think such a scaled/skeleton version of Win_10 may be released at a later date?

Paul
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I think your new computer will kick butt and you won't need a skeleton version.
I didn't even realize you could get a scaled down version of windows. I suspect there's probably a Windows 10 like that. But I sure don't know.
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JM,

Neither was I aware, and nor was the PC shop (until I explained it's existence to them!).  But they managed to source one.  It is superb and really does make a difference to eliminate unwanted content.

Hopefully Win_10 will have something similar?

Ta,

Paul
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When I have the finances and build my own desktops I just purchase an OEM Copy of the Operating System I want to use and Install just the OS and nothing else other than drivers etc. from the sound or graphics cards I use. If I install or build more than one Desktop then I just get two OEM copies. Just my input here. Hope it helps everyone.
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Fred,

I found an OEM copy for WIN_10, albeit in 32-bit:

http://www.ebuyer.com/718642-windows-10-home-32-bit-oem-kw9-00185

Paul

<EDIT: I missed the 64-bit here>:

http://www.ebuyer.com/718644-windows-10-home-64-bit-oem-kw9-00139
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Thanks Paul for the links. I usually use the 64-Bit unless myself or others I may build a System for have software that does not run on the 64-Bit System. I also have places I get the OEM Builds from when needed too. I appreciate the links.
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Hi again,

I have long been looking into an affordable HD CAMCORDER which offers an AUDIO INPUT of some kind.  Up until now, I could only find ones starting at over 400GBP.  But today I found this one by TOSHIBA called the CAMILEO 400X.

In the manual the diagram shows something of an AUDIO IN on the side panel:


But in the PHOTO image of the CAMCORDER, you can see the AUDIO INPUT is at the FRONT (bottom) and in the form of separate [b]L&R[/b]'s:


This guy (on You Tube) briefly mentions the AUDIO on the front panel @ 56 secs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmRs82zQ0T8

Which TYPE of DEVICE (if it does indeed have a suitable INPUT) might it accept? Do you think it would need to be a microphone with 2 x MINI JACK LEADS because it says (on the front of the camera) LEFT and RIGHT (IN)? I wish to wear a microphone and talk into the the camera (to make You Tube type videos etc).

I was also a bit confused because the camera appears to have a CONDENSER MIC build into it also? But maybe this DEACTIVATES once an EXTERNAL MIC is plugged in?

In any case, astonishingly, these seem to sell on eBay for 150GPB as NEW, and 90GBP as USED!:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=camileo+400x+toshiba+camcorder&LH_PrefLoc=1&_osacat=0...

Thanks a lot,

Paul
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Paul from what I can see from the image provided that appears to be more like the inbuilt Microphone on the Camera itself which is possibly a condenser mic showing the left and right for stereo. If the Audio Input Jack is there and only has the one plug in as it appears then you should be able to get by with just a Rode Pro Mic which I use and is an external Mic that gets awesome sound in my opinion and from my experience. I would suggest reading the manual and doing some more research on that camera to make sure it will work the way you want with an external mic.

I hope this helps a little and you like the response I have given. Thanks for posting and have a great day.night.
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Hi Fred,

I looked thru the manual last night but it was not descriptive enough with regards to the EXTERNAL MIC possibilities.

However I did email TOSHIBA and received a very prompt reply this afternoon if you care to read:
Call Center UK CS.

RE: Toshiba Computer Systems Enquiry
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Dear paul seaman

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Toshiba Reference Number:         CAMILEO X400
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Thank you for your recent enquiry.

We can confirm the Toshiba X400 Camcorder does have a microphone input should you chose to use one as opposed to the on board inbuilt microphone

The microphone input is a standard single 3.5mm jack.

If you require any further assistance please call us on the number below or simply reply to this email.

Regards,

Justin Gallagher

Toshiba
Ta,

Paul
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Thanks for sharing Paul If it has the audio input then you should be able to use an external mic like the Rode Pro Mic just make sure it has the same jack size they gave you. Any external Dynamic Mic should work if that helps I just say the Rode Pro as it does a great job for me with the windscreen cover. Have a great day/night.
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Hi again,

I currently using a SENHEISSER PC_8 headset.  Now this is USB and so it will not fit with the CAMCORDER (because the CAMCORDER is a 3.5mm fitting), but maybe there is a CONVERSION lead/socket which exists and would permit me to use the two devices together?  Otherwise, I might have to look into a DESKTOP MIC (I was looking at an AUDIO TECHNIKA one for around 25GBP).  Though you were recommending the RHODE so I may take a look at that.

Ta,

Paul
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As far as I know Paul those is no adapter for the USB to the 3.5mm Jack size. The Rode Pro Mic is a good one but not the only one. If you use a lapel mic it might work too as I have a wired one I have also used that is not bad but not as good as the Rode Pro with the windscreen cover on it. Have a great day/night. Let us know what you come up with and maybe post a video of the video using that camera and whatever mic you get for us to hear.
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Hi Fred,

Thanks a lot.

Well, I was thinking of using a LAPEL MIC as you suggest because I intend to turn/move around a bit in my videos to demonstrate my synths etc.  And to be able to continue talking and maintaining a constant LEVEL of my narration.  So in this sense, the LAPEL MIC might be favourite.

But I don't really know how good this type of mic is?  Secondly, I have heard that if you get a good DESKTOP MIC (like your Rode or the AUDIO TECHNIKA), then these will pick up ones dialogue clearly from the other side of the room!?

Paul
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Hi,

Here is one of the DESKTOP MIC's I was looking at:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Audio-technica-ATR25-Microphone-With-Cable-And-Case-/111733306833?hash=ite...

And regarding the LAPEL MIC, which might be best for my needs please?: Cardiod, Omni/Undirectional?


Paul
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