Record Screen Or Voice first?

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Hello:
I have provided two links below that are official Camtasia documents.  One suggests that the screen be recorded first, and then the voice narration added afterwards.  The other suggests doing the voice recording first, and then doing the screen recording afterwards.  These are opposites.  Which is the best?
https://www.techsmith.com/tutorial-camtasia-how-to-make-a-video-tutorial.html

https://support.techsmith.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000335611-Record-Voice-Narration

Thanks in advance.
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I record the screen and narration at the same time. My voice is perfectly timed to my actions by default in doing so.
If my narration needs correction, I can do that while editing the project. I export and clean up the audio in Adobe Audition before final production.
That's my workflow anyway.

Regards,Joe
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Just curious - why are you using Adobe Audition to clean up the audio vs the tools in Camtasia?
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The tools in Audition are superior to the ones in Camtasia. Plus, I've recorded a full set of clean up actions that are applied with one mouse click. Audio clean up is handled in under a minute in most cases.
That includes import, clean-up, and export.  
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juwex

if you do not have Audition, free Audacity works very well ...

How To Apply Noise Reduction Using Audacity
http://www.screencast.com/t/WN3ehg03zkZM

or ...

Camtasia Tutorials Button Menu

in the TOC, search for "audacity"
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The audio tools in Camtasia are really sub-par.

I use Audacity which works as Kayakman says, very well.

I also as Joe does in Audition,  have what they call Chains set up in Audacity
which are like profiles for my different mics and edits are a simple one-two click.

It's worth the export/import to edit the audio outside of Camtasia IMHO.

:)
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I use www.goldwave.com  or Izotope RX from www.izotope.com to clean up, but I do require camtasia to capture a clean synchronized raw audio when I'm creating a capture with narration. I would like to see a standard  audio plugin interface on Camtasia so all this multi pass clean up would go away.
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Thanks for your info & tips. Another question - what type of editing are you doing automatically in Audition? I have worked a bit in Audacity, but not much.
In Camtasia, I usually level the volume, remove background noise, and remove noise in between my narration. I also record my audio in "chunks". Would I be able to automate this workflow in Audition or Audacity?
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For Audition.......I've been uses the techniques laid out by Techguro77 for a few years now.They've served me well.


The technique to record automated  actions in Audition. Is covered in the first 2 min. of this
video.

Audacity can apply automated effects as well. They don't have a Parametric Equalizer so you can't follow Techguro77's methods. But Audacity can still handle the job.

   
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Audacity does have a Parametric Equalizer filter. Its a little different than Auditions and
I don't use it much except in special situations.



Mostly I just use the Equalizer effect instead.



My main use process follows this method though I do also have a few variations
and all are set up as chains to automate the process.




:)
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Actually, I "Misswrote" if you will.

What Audacity doesn't offer is Dynamics Processing. To the best of my knowledge.

 
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Audacity doesn't have Dynamics Processing by name per say but can be done by way of using the Limiter or Compressor effect.

Many often used the Leveller effect (which is now in the new Distortion Effect
but can create distortion.

If you want to reduce the dynamic range ('level' out the loudness) without creating distortion, try the Limiter effect with the "soft limit" option

There is also a plugin that works well to achieve the process
 
Chris’s Dynamic Compressor plugin for Audacity
https://theaudacitytopodcast.com/chriss-dynamic-compressor-plugin-for-audacity/

:)
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I'm no audiophile. That's why I use Techguro77's techniques. That Compressor doesn't look like the same filter as the Dynamics Processing filter to me.
It doesn't have a "Expander" setting.


  
Here's Audition .There's  2 basic settings. That's it.



Like I said in my previous post.Audacity has tools to get the job done.

I'll add this. I was simply sharing my workflow in Audition.

 I tried to use the same workflow unsuccessfully in Audacity years ago. It couldn't be done.Why,  no Dynamics Processor. I've been editing my audio through Audition's automation for so long, I forgot what filter wasn't available.

 Audition is a more robust program. You can't beat the healing brush for targeted noise removal.
I'd like to see Audacity incorporate something similar. That would be a huge addition to it's tool set.

 
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I get where you are coming from. And I am no audio expert. Far from it.

But I know Audacity as you with Auditions.

I was just filling in the gaps as far as Audacity is concerned and that it can do many of the same tweaks if you will. Just have to go a different route.

I have (as you with Auditions) used Audacity for a long time and know it.
Your posts I'm sure help many Auditions users and thats awesome. I have even gone in to Audacity to look if there is a similar way to replicate some of your methods.

I hope that some of my post can helps those using Audacity the same way.

Just to touch on your last post. Expansion is accomplished with the compressor I mentioned by setting a negative value in the compress ratio. but how would you no that?

There is also another plugin I have for that.  It's Floorfish



But all said. Fighting the same war,  just different weapons.

P.S.  A healing brush in Audacity would be sweet !!

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I do the same thing Joe does. It is easy to start over at a point in the recording because it can be easily edited out later. If it is difficult to tell the edit points because the screen doesn't change much, a technique that can be used used is to clap or do something that causes the audio line to jump. It makes for a good marker.

I also export to Adobe Audition to do audio cleanup.

HTH
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I do a lot of  screencast.  I prefer to record the video in silence.  When I make a mistake, I start talking about the mistake and the correction.  It creates easy ti identify regions where I need to edit.  After the video is done, I adjust video speed and then I narrate.
When I record my face, I then record audio and video at the same time, in this way lips and audio are in sync.
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I mostly do as Joe and kurrykid also especially for off the cuff videos.

I don't think though that there one is better than the other.
It's more of what one favors for their workflow.

There is also the matter of how a project might have to come together.

You may get a audio file that needs a video for it or and video file that needs audio.
You may have scripts or storyboards to have to work from etc.

:)
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Thanks Joe, kurrykid, afrohlich, and  Dubie:

Your comments confirm what I was hoping... that whatever works for the project is what I should use.  It could be voice and video recording at the same time, or recording video first and then audio.  Sweet!!!
I don't have Adobe Audition, but I do have Adobe Soundbooth CS5 which should be good enough.  Since I wasn't born with a radio announcer's deep voice, I can add base with Soundbooth, and I'm good to go. :)

Thanks for your recommendations.

Regards
Rich Locus
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Hi Rich,

Please do not forget about using the Open-source software that others might have used with Camtasia  9 (as I am doing now) called Audacity.  I am very new to creating videos myself and this community has been invaluable with answers to our queries.

If you are using Windows, I would highly recommend downloading the file here:

http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/

Good luck with your projects!
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I forgot to mention that I also use audacity.  For a free software, it is quite good.
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I actually do the opposite - I write a script first, record the audio, and then record the screen to synchronize with the audio. It probably depends on the type of video that you are making, which method works best for you.
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Hi richlocus,
Just to clarify, the support article linked in your original post simply explains how the voice recording functionality works in Camtasia. It doesn't make the recommendation to record narration after the video. The tutorial video you linked to has the correct recommendation: https://www.techsmith.com/tutorial-camtasia-how-to-make-a-video-tutorial.html 

To answer your question though, the best option is the one that works for you. From our perspective, recording audio before video results in a higher quality video in the end. We spend a lot of time planning and scripting to try and minimize the video recording process, as this often the most expensive part of the process for us. That said, you can find some pretty compelling arguments that say the opposite. In the end, it's best to try a variety of different styles and stick with what works best for you.

Thanks,
Doug
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Doug:  You and your two teammates did such an awesome job in your tutorial.  Thanks for the advice.  Perhaps you should also consider a career in radio announcing :)