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am both a Camtasia and Snagit user and love them both.   However, I think TechSmith has missed a trick with Snagit.  I love the fact that it can do video recording and is a reasonable price.  However, it’s one flaw is the fact it won’t save files in TechSmith trec file format.

If it did I could see Snagit being a very attractive captured tool whilst using the power of Camtasia for editing material i.e. enabling turning on/off system sound hide/highlight cursor movement etc.  I could certainly see SnagIt  having a wider appeal  as capture tool with technical support staff (both for capturing how to and troubleshooting videos), whilst content designers (course builders) being able to collect the content, edit it and pimp it up in Camtasia.

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Hello, I am editing two video projects in Camtasia right now that came to me as SnagIt mp4 files. I have no need of the trec file to edit the clips, improve the audio, add callouts, boxes, arrows, intro and outro clips. There maybe some pointer data in trec, but I've never needed it myself. Others more versed in trec may comment.  
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So cadams so many reasons,

For starters, SnagIt records directly to MP4. It wasn’t designed to save videos for editing at a later time. They give you the option to trim them down and that is all.

Camtasia’s screen recorder is the best screen recorder I have ever used. It records a high quality AVI. It is also a container format with cursor information, you can record keystrokes and a separate WebCam video amongst other things.

SnagIt is a $50 screen capturing device. TechSmith isn’t about to give you their signature screen recording device in a $50 application. That’s simply not going to happen.That's the only way you're going to record to .trec. Plus, SnagIt cannot edit .trec files.

I would never recommend recording a video with SnagIt and editing it in Camtasia in the first place.

If you own Camtasia. Why in the world would you record a video with SnagIt to begin with? You should have recorded it with Camtasia.

SnagIt’s MP4’s are highly compressed videos. They don’t re-render well. On top of that the audio quality of SnagIt videos are very poor. And I mean atrocious as far as I’m concerned. If you don’t believe me take a quality music video or recording and try recording that. Play that back and get ready to cover your ears.

So, as an example of the differences. I recorded two identical videos in duration and screen size. The videos are 38x40 x 10x80. Duration is one minute and 34 seconds.

I will include a screenshot below to show you all the numbers.

The Camtasia video came out to 1.78 GB in size with a total kbps 160,000+.

The audio is recorded in stereo at 1400 kbps

 

The SnagIt MP4 video is 112 MB in size with a total kbps 9900

the audio is recorded in mono at 98 kbps

 

You can take a Camtasia screen recording and put it in Premier Pro and do anything you want with it. Color corrections, special-effects, you name it. The videos that good. They re-render like any high quality video will.

A SnagIt video should be shared and that’s about it. That’s what it was designed for. There simply isn’t enough video or audio information to work with. Not for high-end video work.

Can you edit SnagIt MP4’s and get away with it? Of course you can. That doesn’t make it a good idea or a high quality video in the long run.

Camtasia's files are huge for a very good reason.

"I Hope you see my point".........That's why I made the videos.                                                                                                                                                      

Regards, Joe


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I agree, if you own both programs you would not record with SnagIt. Context is important so my story: (forum said I wasn't logged in -when I was - GONE and I'm not going to re-type it all)

Not the SME (subject matter expert on these two products), don't want to spend days and weeks becoming SME, we don't have much time before these 3 min clips need to be submitted to innovation contest, the SMEs for these are 2200 miles away; they don't have Camtasia but they have SnagIt to get the main screen clips. Okay let's try it. I fixed everything inside Camtasia (had to export audio to Normalize the volume and bring back in) In summary, it got the job done (off my plate) and I don't think it looks bad.

https://www.screencast.com/t/pOD0eKJ1K55

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I agree it doesn't look that bad.

However, it doesn't look great either. None of the text is tack sharp. It's got some blurriness to it at 100% zoom level.

With a Camtasia recording it could have been better.

Editing a video with such a limited number of color like that one. Worked in your favor as well. You were literately editing at GIF level. "Color Levels Wise"

If that video contained Photographs or even Gradient backgrounds your colors would have been subject to going off the rails.

Editing a screen recording of a technical document.Is "Worlds Apart" from creating a tutorial in........................................

Photoshop, After Effects, Cinima3-D, Solid Works or some other graphical software with a lot of color and textures.

Or creating videos for web sites about Travel and Adventure. etc.

Instructional videos about Science, Arts, Technology , Blah, Blah, Blah.

My test recording of Premiere Pro yesterday. The playback or the video in the PP preview window.Skipped and Froze a lot.

SnagIt couldn't couldn't seem to record that well either.I had the recorder set to Maximum Quality in preferences.

 

  Can you edit SnagIt MP4’s and get away with it? Of course you can. That doesn’t make it a good idea or a high quality video in the long run.

Regards,Joe
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Yep, nothing too challenging in this material so it worked to my advantage. I'd hesitate to put this on YouTube for 1-3 years as a primary asset. The Marketing leader is thrilled with it and it's off my plate and that was the objective!
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Yes sir Timbre4,

completing a video for a client and pleasing them is what counts the most.

I created a brief video to demonstrate just how sour music sounds when SnagIt records it to video.

The video starts with the original video. Turn up your speakers. You’re going to want to hear this.

Then you hear SnagIt.

Then Camtasia.

The video quality looks about the same. There’s because there’s an exception to basic rules at play here.

 This happens when you record another video playing. You get great color quality and clairty because the recording is a duplicate of the original.

However, you still get judder and dropped frames. Even with the Camtasia recording. The original footage is smooth, neither recording is.

Crank up those speakers now.


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Yes, that's pretty convincing, fortunately I'd never find myself in that scenario.
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Hi all, thanks for your responses (especially Joe for a very detailed response).  I fully agree I don’t see TechSmith putting the full Camtasia engine into SnagIt.  However, here is more of my argument as to why they should consider enhancing video recording (not editing): -

SnagIt is a capture tool.  It is a snipping tool on steroids when it comes to screen capture (note this is what I use it for).   However, when it comes to video capturing it doesn’t really offer anything the in-built OS tools like step recorder or quicktime in Mac have, or any of the other free screen capturing tools that are available.

Camtasia is brilliant in it combination editing/capturing functionality, but the killer feature to me that none of the other (cheaper or free) capture tools on the market have is its ability to easily duck system audio or turn on/off mouse pointers and quickly add highlighting to the pointer in the timeline.  Yes, I can do some of this with the adobe cloud suite, however it is very hard work and requires much greater time messing around.

I am not suggesting using SnagIt for recordings if you already have Camtasia.  However, in my industry (which is video related) I work with a large number of presenters delivering technical webinars/training.  When they record the sessions they have an annoying habit of waving the mouse pointers around (which is very distracting during the presentation) or a email coming in at the wrong time.  What I would love to be able to do is edit these events out.  But I cannot justify purchasing $200 software to be installed on their PC to record a session or two a year.   These presenters would never do video editing or put the content together after the session.  I could justify a $50 capture tool though. 

Another argument, when looking at customer systems and trying to diagnose technical problems we often want to capture what is happening on screen.  But because I work with high resource, time critical applications I would not want to install a large resource hungry (and expensive tool) like Camtasia just to record what is happening.  I could seem us recommending to a customer purchasing a capture tool like SnagIt as it is less expensive and less resource hungry, then sending us the trec file to review what was happening in the timeline.

Basically, I am asking for a feature enhancement which allowed SnagIt to capture either mp4 or tRec so that the file could be imported to a Camtasia suite on another computer to be worked on.  I am not suggesting any additional editing functionality be added to SnagIt.  If this feature was added I could certainly see it being a much more attractive option for wider distribution and in turn Camtasia being a more attractive editing option.  I basically saying I think there is an untapped market here that TechSmith should look at.  With one application for capture and the other for full capture/editing and I don’t see how this would threatens their business model.