Smart Cut?

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I'm an early adopter, I guess, and I'm using SnagIt 2018. There are some welcome additions such as using OCR to edit text in place. And as best I can tell, with very, very little documentation, the Smart Move feature appears to be a step in the right direction.

My issue is that the behavior of selecting a region and choosing Cut or Delete has changed. In past releases, if I have a gray background, and I select some text, then Cut, that region would be cut out of the image, and a transparent rectangle would be left in its place. I would then use the Fill tool to select from the gray region, and fill in the transparent cutout so that it matches the rest of the image. So far, so good.

The new release appears to try making that process a little smarter (hence I guess you could call this a Smart Cut feature), so that if I select that same text and cut out the selection, the background left in its place actually matches the surrounding gray. Hooray! This seems like a very cool time saver. Until...

If my surrounding image is not one extremely homogenous color, when I perform the cutout, what gets put in its place is a weird smear of colors similar to those surrounding the region I selected, which also gets faded across the region according to some algorithm I can only guess at. 

Is this a new feature? If so where is the documentation for it? Can the behavior be configured? It seems like it might be a cool idea, but if I can't turn it off or change the settings, then this is going to be a big problem for the kind of work I do.

Randy W
Dallas, TX
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WHen I cut out a small square I get a transparent background and you indicated. Do you have something besides transparent set as the background?
Create a new document in the editor and chose transparent as the background and I believe that will stick
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It's called Smart Move,

https://support.techsmith.com/hc/en-us/articles/115007995287-Smart-Move

I've tested it. For text,It doesn't work well for me. It does a poor job of selecting words. Regardless of the tolerance settings.

If you set the tolerance low. You should be able to select complete words. According to the TechSmith Video below. I have the setting set to 1 in the image below. Yet, the text is only selected by the letter.



It works Great in the TechSmith Video.I cannot reproduce results that come even close to theirs.I had high hopes for this feature when I saw this video. I tried to make it work on several occasions.


The move feature can leave behind a smeary fill section. Depending upon the immediate surrounding area. If the area near the selection is a solid color. The results will be better. That’s the nature of content aware fill.

For the most part, that part of the tool can work pretty good at times. However, it’s ability to auto select objects, only works well if the objects are already pretty much isolated from everything else. ” Not touching any other objects”

My honest opinion, this tool isn't ready for prime time.

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I think what you're describing is auto-fill, which is related to smart move, but not exactly the same thing.  Here's a short video which shows auto-fill enabled and disabled. I think it will help you out.
https://www.screencast.com/t/x17c5ZGfZtj4

-Glenn
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That's a good one. I use Affinity and I need to try that technique
I never thought of that, but then again there are a lot of things I never thought of which is probably why you are watching HIS tutorials and not mine `
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I should play around with Affinity some day. I use Premiere Pro,After Effects, Photoshop and Lightroom. So I won't be changing my ways. I've heard Affinity is pretty powerful for the small investment.
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What it needs is a control like the edge formatting so you can choose which directions to sample:

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Thanks, Glenn, I will check that out. I'm really hoping you guys have given us some way to configure or at least disable the feature, because tasks that were perfectly simple and straightforward previously are proving difficult or impossible in the 2018 release.

Side note. Personally I really wish Techsmith would document their features in writing rather than rely on tutorial videos. Videos can be very helpful as an additional resource, but written documentation is more important to me, and probably to many others. 
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Randy,

Yep, you can turn off the "Auto" stuff in the properties panel.

FWIW, if you go to the Help menu in-product there should be a "What's new" and other written documentation.

-Glenn
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Joe - The move from photoshop rentware is easy. Most of what you use is there. Content aware is inpainting. PS has some new blend modes but all the main ones are in affinity.
It is so close that you can for the most part follow PS tutorials in Affinity photo
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I agree that cutting ties with Adobe sounds good ,

 One of the problems I wouldn't is that I've gotten fairly proficient with Photoshop. 100 years from now, I would still be learning techniques.

You can learn how to access and use all the features in general.

But when you start combining layers and effects. An entirely new concept and way of doing things is "One Ingenious Move",  or "Mistake" away from being  discovered.

Plus, I'm proficient with Premier Pro. I use After Effects for my specialty work.
I have high end plugins that don't  work in most video editors.

I like Adobe's programs and the workflow. There's no substitute for that.

 Plus, it would take me forever to learn how to use an entirely new suite of programs in order to dump Adobe.  

The CS6 Master Collection was $2,600.00 when I got it. I still have and could use it. But a lot of footage won't import natively, a lot of codecs need updating that cannot be,etc.

CS6 came out in June 2011 it's been outdated and missing a lot of the great new features that have come out for quite some time. So 5 1/2 years ago, CS6 was released. Let's call it 5 years.

 $2,600.00 divided by 5 years =  $520.00 a year

A subscription is $600.00 a year and always up to date.

High Quality software is expensive. So the price went up a bit over the past 5 years. No real surprise there.
When Adobe adds a new feature.There usually pretty nice, you actually want them and don't think it's bloat wear.

The competition is always emulating and chasing Adobe. That kind of says it all.

Adobe's software is arguably the best on the market.

Depending on what you use it for. You either need what they offer or you don't.

I'm one of those people that need Adobe.
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Just for giggles, go get an affinity photo tutorial on You tube for something you are proficient with and follow alnot in photoshop. If the keystrokes are not exactly the same, they will be close enough for you to follow along. There are Affinity Designer tutorials if you want to follow Illustrator
If Adobe pricing doesn't intimidate you and you like it .... no need to move
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Agreed it is similar.
And I appreciate where your coming from,So thanks for that!

I like saving money when I can.I even downloaded Affinity last night to give it a look see.It has a Healing brush tool but doesn't seem to have a Spot Healing Brush tool? Which is my favorite of that particular line of brushes.
 
Anyway,
Between Premier Pro, After Effects and Audition.  Which I use regularly. I already have to pay a full subscription price anyway. So there's no reason to switch for me. I know about Audacity too. But Audition is better.

Sometimes, cutting out audio glitches isn't an option. The healing brush tool can save the day. Or make the problem tolerable in most cases. I don't know if you've ever seen this tool at work.
It's functionality is pretty much identical to the Spot Healing Brush Tool. Content Aware Fill would probably be a similar process. "As an example only" Obviously, audio and images are processed very differently.

You zero in on the problem frequency's, brush over them, and Audition dampens and blends that glitch into the surrounding audio.
If I receive an audio clip with unacceptable background noises over spoken words  like paper shuffling in the background. Things of this nature.I can usually lower it to a level that makes it go pretty much unnoticed.
 
Cutting out spoken words is usually not an option. Contacting someone  to re-record bits and pieces of a session slows down project completion.

Plus, the pitch and tempo of the replacement recording doesn't match the original.So there's a host of new problems to deal with and extra work you've just created for yourself.

 And bonus, now the audio portion of the finalized video will be subject to being overly scrutinized by the recipient.
 
  


     
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So, here's my follow up.

Hat's Off to TechSmith support.



They resolved the Smart Move problem I was experiencing.
I shared my screen with them on more than one occasion. Extracted and created a few files for them. It was just one of those elusive problems.
 
Joseph Beaubien,
Kevin Gilbert
Nate
Aaron S

Are the names I could extract from the 20+ e-mails. There were others involved behind the scenes.It was a true team effort on their part.
It took a lot of resources and determination to see this through to fruition.
   

There's a file
C:\Users\Editor\AppData\Roaming\TechSmith

    features.json


I opened the file in notepad.
Somehow a setting had been changed to "False" that should have been "True".

Nate instructed me to change the setting to true and save the changes.
Here's the screen shot.



All is good

Regards,Joe