Snag-it: Please add chroma key functionality

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Please copy the functionality "remove a color" from Camtasia, to Snagit.  Please add Chroma Key function to Snagit.
1) using remove a color is long and laborious, and doesn't get the right results when the greenscreen has varying shades of green
2) need better functionality like Feathered Edges, and general tolerance algorithm for "overall green detection"
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So Daniel Linstedt,

what you should be seeking is improved selection tools. It’s not that Chroma Key doesn’t work. Because it works great as shown here in Premier Pro. It’s just that it is a video editing filter and not a photo editing filter.


If SnagIt’s fill tool is set to transparency. You can play around with the tolerance slider. And make multiple selections to remove as much as the green screen as possible. This will not give you feathered edges or a clean line. I’m afraid this is about the best tool currently available in SnagIt’s arsenal.


That being said, I’ve been a Photoshop user for many years. When you want to extract a person from an image you do this using selection tools. The more sophisticated/developed the tool is. The better the results.

When it comes to functionality. SnagIt is currently miles away from reaching that plateau, and may never reach it.

Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not trying to poke holes in your rubber raft and sink your idea.” So to speak” I just think it’s likely your grow old, waiting for this functionality come to SnagIt.

That being said. There’s an online photo editor called Photopea https://www.photopea.com/

it’s a cross between Photoshop and less than Photoshop. What’s nice about it is you don’t have to install anything on your computer like other programs. So you can use it online at work if you are restricted from installing anything on your computer. You use the quick selection tool to select yourself. There are a lot of tutorials on YouTube to teach you how to use Photoshop’s quick selection tool. I suggest you watch the ones for Photoshop CS6 or older.


Then you move to a rather disappointing refine Edge tool to complete your selection. I call it disappointing because it has very few controls. However, it does allow you to feather the edge and use a brush tool to clean up the edges. In the image below I placed myself on a black background to complete the selection on the right.


In this final image I threw a weather map behind me for the heck of it. Just so you can see a final result. It’s less than ideal but it is free. There are photo editors like gimp that are free. But you do have to download and install them to your computer. https://www.gimp.org/

that’s all I got, Joe



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Hi Joe,  Your reply is awesome thank you!  But I thought the aim of Snagit was to provide better graphics manipulation capabilties, and you already have the code in Camtasia for Chroma Key - so why not put it in the photo editing software??  Ohh well, I guess I will grow old waiting for this to come.

Yes, there is another approach (as you called out) and that is actually called rotoscoping (if I'm not mistaken).  The BEST in the market place for that action (on video at least) is Mocha Pro - from FXHome  - the same people who bring you PhotoKey (which DOES have awesome chroma key capabilities for photo editing).  If you really want good roto-scoping (ie: magical object selection / cut / paste) then that's a whole different set of mathematics.  It can be just as good if not better than chroma keys.

However, I wonder if Snagit would ever have that functionality either...  It has something called "magic selection tool" - but that's a very poor mans implementation (rudimentary my dear Watson) compared to true rotoscoping selections.

Your result is actually pretty good!  but your green screen is also "good" - no lines, no shadows, not a lot of disparate green colors to worry about....  Most people "can't touch that"....  when it comes to their own environments and green screens.

Just thought I'd pass along a suggestion that I'm sure you've heard before.  Would LOVE to see it (either chroma or rotoscope or both)...  just a shame that you think they won't build it.
Which by the way, I'd be happy to PAY for a pro edition that "contained" the algorithms??  Or better yet, partner with FXHome, setup an API and allow their Plugins to be utilized with Snagit..  now THAT sounds like a plan eh?

Thank you kindly,
Dan
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Ohhh almost forgot to mention this:  https://www.greenscreenwizard.com/

This guy wrote his own windows app, and it's reasonably priced!  it does a phenomenal job with even the worst GreenScreen backgrounds...  Why not just Buy his IP and embed his algorithms in Snagit??

Gotta say - his chroma key competes with some of the better programs out there...

Ultimately I settled on PhotoKey Pro....  with GreenScreenWizard a close second for what I needed to do.

Cheers,
Dan

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This thread is a bit confusing because it was tagged for the Camtasia Windows and Camtasia Mac forum categories, but seems to be all about SnagIt.

Dan, are you talking here about SnagIt video recording or basic static image manipulation using SnagIt?

If it's the SnagIt video recording, I'd personally be shocked to see TechSmith make any effort to add this to SnagIt, as this would be one enticement for folks to upgrade to SnagIt's younger sibling Camtasia.

If it's for basic image manipulation, I'd agree with Joe's estimation that you are really looking for better selection tools.

Cheers... Rick :)
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Sorry, it should be tagged for SNAGIT.  My apologies.  I am not referring to Snagit Video recording.  What I really want is image manipulation using snagit.  ie: applying chroma key to a single stationary image.

I do both: video chroma and photo chroma key, so I need both solutions.  Camtasia does work fairly well with this, but Snagit has nothing for this.

Except of course: "color replace" which is irritating to say the least, and takes forever to run.

Again, yes - looking for better selection tools (ie: my discussion on rotoscoping - which could be construed as magic select)

Sorry I submitted in the wrong place...  Admin, can you move the thread please?
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Enami92 - I don't mean to be rude, but I also don't need someone "telling me what I should be doing or seeking".  If you have something to offer that is of value, then I am happy to hear your value added thoughts.

There are reasons for seeking: Better Chroma Key functionality AND improved selection tooling - they are two different and distinct things.  In fact, Mocha (for video) can actually rotoscope different objects from the frame, not just the human figure.  Removing an object from a photograph (like magic selection) would require sophisticated algorithms.

Again, Happy to hear postive feedback on this, and NO - Snagit has no "chroma key" functionality, that is my original issue....  Yes, Chroma Key works in Camtasia - fairly well.

Best Regards,
Dan
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I appreciate people wanting special features added to Snagit, but the more features you have, the more complicated the program becomes and the learning curve starts to be in par with the learning curve of Photoshop.  Snagit in my opinion has enough features to create decent screenshots, but the developers of the program need to make the tools easier to understand and work with, once that is done, this program can stand to be left alone for a while lest all the added new features create a non-cost effective program that only commercial users will benefit from.

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I appreciate where you're coming from, but to be fair.
Just because a program has a lot of features. It doesn't mean you have to use them or become familiar with them.
I use Adobe's Premier Pro on a regular basis but I'm unfamiliar with a number of the features.
It's true that if you add too many features the cost can go up. However, I do think some higher quality selection tools would be a nice addition to SnagIt.
That's just my personal take on it.
I actually use Photoshop more than anything else because SnagIt is just not enough.
Sometimes if you add the right features, it can draw in enough new customers to pay for the costs.
Regards, Joe
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I guess we're back to where many of these threads end up - where do you draw the line between a screenshot capture and annotation program - which SnagIt is, and an image/photo editor - which it is not? 

My intuition is that Chroma is in the second camp.  But you know what?  Let the people speak - let's see where the voting goes.
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Joe Morgan, i too am more of a Photoshop user and still use Snagit for other things. I feel that the "KISS" (Keep It Simple Stupid) concept applies here. You are right, you don't have to use all the options, but in order to understand what it has to offer, it becomes more and more learning intensive than when say I first started using Snagit years ago, when it was "Snagit8" for windows. It was simple and straight forward, but now....don't get me started on that. I think Snagit should confine itself more to screen capture than a fancy editor. The editing options that people have begged for over the years have made this box too heavy to carry. I say, keep the rule of "KISS" and stop making a Rolls Royce from a Chevy!  There has to be an in between area before this gets too complicated.
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Fair enough.