Snagit 2018: How to de-select a tool so that I can do something else?

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I've been using SnagIt for years and am incredibly frustrated with 2018 because I cannot easily "switch gears" by simply clicking on the next thing I want. Whatever tool I'm using at the time, SnagIt has it by the jugular.

This is especially irksome with the cutout tool.

Similar to how things work in other apps (MSoft Office, Quicken, Canva, yadda yadda), my expectation is to switch tools simply by clicking on the next tool or menu item that I want. Nada.

Less efficient: press Escape. Nada.

I do not recall ever having this kind of problem with earlier versions of SnagIt. 

Please advise.
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I have 2018, and if I use the cut-out, I can just click on the next tool, like Text, Arrow, whatever, and that's what it does.  We must have something configured differently, but I don't recall changing anything from the factory settings to explicitly change this behavior.
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The cut out tool is broken. Has been for a long time. You must manually select another tool.

If you have other tools selected, you can hit the "Alt" key to deselect that tool and return to "Cursor" mode.

If you have several annotations on the same image, and you can select them. "Not Flattened"
If you select the "Move Tool".  You can select and edit their properties without the need to select the tool.

But the old way of click an existing arrow and draw an identical one."Switch to that tool" Is gone.
As far as I know, there's no way to get that functionality back.

Regards,Joe 
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I'm confused by this report. Yeah, I know the cut out tool seems frustrating, but it seems to me to operate pretty much like the other tools do. 

For example, if I click and choose the Stamp tool, the icon in the toolbar turns blue to indicate it's selected. Pressing the Alt key has no effect. If it were de-selecting the tool, I might expect the icon to change. But it does remain blue. And as I expect when a tool is selected, if I click anywhere with the mouse, I get whatever stamp is selected.

Same goes for the arrow tool. I click the icon, it turns blue and the alt key has no effect. As long as the tool is selected, when I click and drag, an arrow is drawn. 

You said  "But the old way of click an existing arrow and draw an identical one."Switch to that tool" Is gone.

If I have an arrow drawn on my image, then I switch to the cut out tool  even though the dashed line indicating the start point for the cut out follows the cursor, if I then just click on the arrow I've drawn, focus moves to the arrow and I've then selected the arrow tool as a result and am able to just click and drag an identical arrow. 

So it seems to me at least to be working as designed. What am I missing?

Cheers... Rick :)
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With older versions of SnagIt. You could click any annotation at any time.
That would convert the tool tip into that tool.
It also copied the properties of that annotation.

Click a green arrow and your drawing green arrows.

Click a White callout with Black Arial fonts and a Red Border next. Ditto

This behavior came with advantages and disadvantages.
 When annotations were placed to close together. The tool tip would convert into other annotations accidentally. That used to make me crazy.
It usually happened when I would try to position an arrow head or something to closely to  a callout.

I like the way the tool tip remains the tool you select in 2018. You maintain control at all times.
If you want to reposition multiple annotations, switch to the move tool.


However, loss of the old selection process can slow you down a lot.
 
The old way would let you do things like pick up where you left off with the step tool. Click step #5., that converted the tool tip.Then, add another step starting with #6 automatically.

A power user could save themselves a lot of clicks.

If you could switch into that mode, it could be a very good thing.

Regards,Joe
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Here's the difference.
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What are have shown seems to be the same thing I did. Did you watch my video all the way through?
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 I can select any annotation and draw it without selecting the tool from the tool bar first.You cannot.
If you have the arrow tool selected. You can't click a callout and draw another one. You have to go to the tool bar and select the callout tool first.

In SnagIt 12, you just click the callout in the canvas area and you're done.

Did you watch my video all the way through? LOL
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I habitually click the toolbar before adding an element. It's just what I've grown accustomed to. I don't believe there is any way around that when you add each element initially. But once the elements are on the image, I certainly can just click the element to give it focus and add another one. 

So I figured you had to be seeing different behavior somehow and I decided to test more thoroughly. I discovered that there are two of the elements that seem to ignore this rule. The Step and the Stamp. Seems that with either of these, once they have been selected they remain selected until you click the toolbar. Either of these seem to insist on disallowing clicking on other elements and subsequent clicks just add more stamps or steps.

But the Blur, the Callout, the Shape, the Text, the Highlighter, the Line, and the Arrow tools seem to operate exactly as you show in version 12. 

Although I did discover that if one is intent on avoiding having to go click the toolbar, you can put the pointer over what you want to edit and right-click to edit the item.

Interesting. I wonder what it is about those two elements? One would think the behavior would be the same for all of them. Obviously not!

Cheers... Rick :)
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After a repair install, deleting the SnagIt 2018 folder from the register and a computer restart. I get the same behavior you describe.
I think the first version of 2018 worked that way I was referring to. It took deleting that folder to get rid of the behavior.
 
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@dz17 - After reading your comment, I SLOOOOOWED way down while editing a variety of snags. At this moment, I believe the crux of the problem is the ability to release a tool by simply clicking elsewhere, such as behind the canvas within SnagIt or offscreen on the desktop.

I.e., how does one get back to a pristine state where no tool at all is selected?

With the cutout tool as a prime example of the problem, if I click behind the canvas, then the cutout keeps repeating. With every click, the figure is cut again.
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You have to select another tool. Then hit "ALT" Like I said the tool is broken
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Yes, this is a well trodden path.  Many threads devoted to it and there doesn't appear to be much prospect of getting it fixed.
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I can duplicate not getting out of "cut out mode" if I click on the screen outside the captured image.  I was able to get back to neutral by clicking another thumbnail and then returning, but it's admittedly clumsy. 

What I don't get is why I want to get to neutral?  Either I have more things to do or I don't.  If I do, I click that tool.  If I don't supposedly I need to either save the resulting image (File | Save or Save As) or paste it somewhere in another application (Alt-A, Ctrl-C).

Are you referring to the fact that when editing the annotations (callouts, arrows, highlight) in the foreground you can just click between them, but when in cutout, which is editing the background image, you have to click an annotation tool to get out of that mode?  I noticed effects doesn't have that problem.
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Selecting another tool and then clicking ALT does not work.  
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I completely sympathize with your feeling.  I have been using Snagit for many years and went to buy it on my own after I left my company ... WOW.. what a let down... not sure why these changes were necessary,...  at the moment i can;t deselect a pasted item ( even with I click on deselect or saving and closing the application )  
posted my own issue separately from this thread.  Hopefully someone can fix.