Timeline laggy after upgrading CPU to Ryzen 2700x

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I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve timeline performance with my new cpu.

I recently updated from an i5 6500 to the Ryzen 2700x, and while I love the fast rendering times, I'm (so far) disappointed in the timeline performance. Editing is noticeably more laggy than with the i5 6500. Even simple cuts and transitions are choppy in a way they never were with the i5.

I'm running stock settings, 32GB 2400 ram, ASRock Taichi, Invidia 970.

I've changed nothing but the CPU, motherboard, and heatsink. I'm running on stock settings with the stock Wraith Prism cooler. Using GPU acceleration.

Does this have something to do with single core performance? I'm thinking the Ryzen should at least be on par with the 6500.

Any advice greatly appreciated!
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I'm not sure that GPU acceleration is going to gain you anything. I'd try it in software-only mode to see what difference it makes.
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Thanks bnystrom - gave it a try but didn't see any noticeable difference. If anything it was laggier.
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At least we've eliminated it as the source of the problem.

Have you checked online to see if there are any known issues with running a Ryzen 2700X with an nVidia 970?

Have you run any tests on the memory to make sure it's functioning properly?
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I haven't been able to find anyone having issues with the 2700x and the GTX970. 
Switching to Windows  "Performance Mode" didn't do anything.

Could it have something to do with how Ryzen manages clocks speed (Precision Boost 2)?

One other variable -- I switched to Camtasia 2018 at the same time. I'll install Camtasia 9 and see if that makes a difference.
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Thanks for the suggestion, but wouldn't that imply the bottleneck is my SSD?  I've only changed the motherboard and cpu. I was happy with the timeline performance of my i5 6500.
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Thanks Ed, the RAMdisk sounds like an intersting thing to try regardless of my cpu issues. Does RAMDisk effectively lower system RAM by allocating that space?
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Well westernbiological,

I’ve never heard of a RAM drive until this thread myself. I find the whole thing pretty intriguing. I’ve watched a few YouTube videos on it. One big snag is that RAM memory has no memory. If the power goes out for just a moment, the RAM memory will be cleared out. So you would have to be very careful what you use your RAM drive for.

Or you would have to back up your computer with an uninterrupted power supply.

And yes it does effectively lower your overall RAM memory, by allocating the space that it occupies.

I’m currently running 16 GB RAM and was considering upgrading to 32 GB for the purpose of running a RAM drive. That and 16 GB of RAM comes up a little short in certain situations.

Between needing a uninterruptible power supply as a precaution. And some other shortcomings to consider. I’m not so sure I RAM drive is worth it. I think it’s pretty neat, and I can see why it’s faster than fast. I actually wouldn’t mind playing around with one. Sounds like fun.

However, I have a high-performance set up that works quite well as is. So I feel like I don’t really have to go there. I’m attaching a YouTube video that will give you some insight into the RAM drive overall.

Ed knows much more about the RAM drive than me, I’m certain of that.

Regards, Joe






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Why would anyone risk running a business computer without a UPS? That's just about as crazy as not making backups of your data.

UPSs are actually pretty darn cheap these day. I use them on several different types of electronics, as they also provide critical surge and sag protection. The only ongoing cost is replacing the batteries every few years (which is easy); the electronics last indefinitely. I've even picked up used UPSs for next to nothing and just replaced the batteries, and they've been working fine for years.

I haven't tried setting up a RAM drive because I don't have enough ram on my work system, but it does have a 480GB SSD, which is fast and large enough for now.

However, in my new personal desktop, I installed 32GB of Intel Optane memory, which functions much like a RAM drive. It caches data from the hard disk and you can specify files or applications that you want to have "pinned" to the memory. The difference in performance is dramatic. somewhere between a SATA SSD and an NVME SSD, at a much lower cost per GB than either (I paid ~$160 total for the WD Black 2GB hard drive and the 32GB of Optane memory). Note that Optane is only available on systems with 7th generation and newer Intel Core CPUs .
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That would depend on how often you autosave/backup your projects to protect them.

How often you lose power where you live.

And if you work through threatening storms. That can predictably knock out your power put your computer at risk.

There is no surge protection against lightning strikes. If you think a UPS will you've been misinformed.

I take a break while a Thunderstorm is blowing through.

I can't tell you the last time I lost power while I was using the computer.

I'm thinking it was around 3 years ago?

Call me crazy.LOL

Regards,Joe
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We tend to get minor brownouts and "flash" outages whenever the weather is bad; it doesn't have to be a thunderstorm. With a UPS, I just keep on working and the computers never miss a beat.

Of course, nothing can provide absolute protection of electronics, but even basic surge protection is better than nothing.

I back up my personal desktop using Carbonite. I back up my work files to a large Flash drive, as it's quick and convenient, and I don't have as much data to back up.
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I have surge protection. I just shut down for thunderstorms primarily.Power outages are rare where I'm at.
I work primary in Premier Pro. It auto saves my projects every 15 minuets and saves 20 versions in sequence. I would only need the lased saved version.

And would lose no more than 15 minutes of my time, if and when it happens. No big deal really.
Camtasia's default is every 2 minutes.I leave it there.

Windows is backing up all my files to an Internal hard drive Every Hour, using  File History. Which is good enough for me.

I'm intrigued by that Optane memory. I doubt my 4 year old computer would support it.
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Optane works with Core CPUs that start with a 7, 8 or 9 (such as my i7 7700s); the processor "generation" is the first digit. I think it coincides with motherboard support for M.2 NVME SSDs, as Optane memory uses the same socket. You can either run an SSD or Optane memory (with a hard drive), but not both.
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That leaves me out, I'm running a i7 4770. It was as it as it got 4 years ago.Still kicks butt compared to most.
I run a hy-bred C drive. I suppose that might create a conflict as well.

Oh well, the hybreds are 8gb's I think? Not enough anyway.

I like to have a lot of large internal HD's that don't cost a fortune.
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Bummer. The big advantage of Optane is that you can couple it with any size hard drive. I went with 2GB, as it's big enough for my personal needs and I could get the WD Black drive (high performance and reliability) in that size without spending a fortune. However, if you need more space, you can just use a bigger hard drive and the price doesn't get exponentially higher as it does with SSDs. The only downside I'm aware of is that it will only accelerate one hard drive, though I'm pretty sure that you can have more than one in the system. It doesn't matter if the drive is partitioned or not and I don't know if it works with RAID arrays.

We've probably geeked-out enough at this point that we've put everyone else to sleep.
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True, last one
I'm running Seagate Barracuda drives. Two- 2 TB drives and One-1 TB drive.
You can't beat internally powered, directly inter-connected, fan cooled drives.
For lots of reasons.

Done {:>)
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Did you use a fresh install of windows or use your drive from your intel pc on your amd build?  If you used your intel drive then you will have a load of intel only process conflicting with amd. Happend to Dometry from Hardware curnatics, fresh windows install solved it 
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Thanks for the suggestion -- I did a fresh install but didn't change anything. Still using Camtasia 9 eight months after upgrading to 2018. Frustrating.

I think the problem is related to Camtasia not playing well with Logitechc922 @1080p. I get the 'washed out' color problem when recording with Windows Camera then importing to Camtasia.

After converting the Windows Camera .mp4 file with Handbrake (following Techsmith's recommendations), the resulting file really slows down timeline performance to the point where it's unusable. Maybe I need

I used the Logitech screen cap software, which seemed to fix the problem (encoding with NVENC), but the video disappears after doing one or two edits (still present in timeline, but video is transparent).

Camtasia 9 and the Windows Camera .mp4 is much better, almost on par with the performance I was getting with the my old 6500.

Could it be an issue with lack of AMD optimization with Camtasia?
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Dean - If the problem persists after a windows re-install, FWIW, an nVidia's senior software engineer (we share a specific wood-working hobby), once told me, INTEL chips work better with nVidia GPUs and AMD CPUs better with Radeon GPUs. So westernbio can test my theory (at their expense) by swapping the 970 for an equivalent AMD product.  
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Thanks for the suggestion...will definitely consider going with the AMD when it's time to upgrade.