TRACKS VS LAYERS

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I just discovered that, when I arrange objects (e.g. "send to back"), Camtasia not only changes the visual layer, but also changes the track.

I guess the first callout is that (IMHO) tracks and visual layers should be separated. Not sure if I use tracks in a non-std fashion, but I organize content on tracks (e.g. imported maps, text callouts, background etc are all organized by the content TYPE). Visual layers, on the other hand, simply control whether one object is visually in front of, or in back of, another object, regardless of type.

The second callout is indicative of a bigger issue - whenever Camtasia adds an object (via copy paste) or automatically moves an object (as in this context), the target track seems to be based on a very basic set of rules (i.e. is there space). 

Regardless of the reason for moving an object from one track to another, at a minimum, the user should have some control over the target. Every other tool I've used allows you to click on a target (in this case, the track) and place the pasted (or moved) object on that track...

These 2 issues (moving objects when trying to visually arrange them on the canvas and somewhat randomly placing objects in copy / paste mode) can be really disruptive when you have complex content organization models...
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I'm not sure it would be a good idea to have that separation you are referring to with tracks VS layers. Seems every application I've ever worked with follows this arrangement. So it seems to be somewhat of a standard. So you are asking for a departure from a standard way of operating and I'm thinking that isn't a good idea.

So sorry, my vote is just to try and come to terms with what you will see anywhere else you go.

Cheers... Rick :)
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Just because everyone once used to ride horses to work (standard) didn't seem to stop the invention of the auto.

I suspect this "standard" is a legacy of some early editor that didn't differentiate between logical groups of elements and visual layers.  

One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.  

This is just a case of legacy thinking. 
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Tracks and visual layers are one in the same.There is no way to separate them as you seem to suggest.

The bottom track is at the bottom of the stack as I'm sure you are aware. Every track above is progressively higher.The media appears higher in that stack in the same order.

That's the way all multi track video editors work.You would have to "Reinvent the Wheel" so to speak to change that.

What Camtasia lacks?
The ability to Target Tracks when Inserting Media.

 I would vote for that.

In Adobes Premiere Pro it looks like this.

Regards,Joe

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dbj.icrms,


I should have mentioned grouping as well.

With grouping you can group as many callouts as you want together. Same goes with images, Video clips and all forms of media.

You don’t have to separate these forms of media from each other either. You can group all of them together if it makes sense to do so.

In the example below. I have 7 callouts. I have them selected and I am right clicking them. I choose group.


 

This image shows them grouped together.

You can ungroup them.


When they’re ungrouped you can rearrange them anyway, you wish.

You can delete pieces of media. Or replace them.

Basically, you can create an entirely different group from the original.  And then regroup them.

There are other ways to use groups as well, but I won’t get into them here.The list is long.



Regards,Joe
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Joe

Thanks. I use groups extensively as well.  But not everything can, or should be, grouped. In the same way that backgrounds and audio appear are distinct and separate entities, there objects that are the same "type" and it makes sense to see them on the same track.

I think possibly the difference here is that Camtasia may have started as a video editing tool, with a limited number of distinct elements - but using it to create animated scenes / stories, or in my case, animated seminars, is kind of painful with the number of elements I need to manage.

At a minimum, there should be an option as to where a pasted or relocated object gets moved...a user shouldn't have to search for an object just because it's visually been placed behind another object.