Weather Map support

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Hi, My name is Maurice Shamell I am a Meteorologist. I love this product and have been using for some time now, however the one thing that is missing from this is support for weather fronts and symbols. Honestly there is not a lot of software out there for this. I mean you can free-hand and draw it sloppily.I have a program that does it, but its old dated and usually brings the quality of the image down. I currently use JING Pro t to annotate radar while reporting on radar during events. It is hard to find any software that can draw fronts etc... Some annotations are easily done with current package, but cold, warm, fronts or "dry line" features are a little tough to draw with any kind of professional look to it. below is an example of what I do daily with that program called "Front Painter", but I would love to do this with Snagit instead. More work can be found on my public Fan Page: www.facebook.com/MoeWx All fronts are drawn with "Front Painter" - but captured through JING Pro.
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Hello Maurice. That is a great question and it would be interesting to find out how and if this can even be accomplished with SnagIt 11 and Jing. I was thinking maybe if there was a callout tool or something it could be used but, I am not sure if that would work or not. Another thought would be if using Camtasia Studio to have a custom motion sketch callout. These are just some ideas or suggestions and maybe a TechSmith employee will have some ideas or suggestions and answers if this can be done or not. Sorry I could not be of more help on this but it is an excellent question and I hope there is an answer. Thanks for posting and using TechSmith Products Maurice and have a great day.
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Hi Maurice,

Thanks for the interesting use case! This is a new one for us, thank you for making us a part of your workflow.

I hope we can get close to what you are looking for:

For your frequently used weather symbols like High & Low Pressure, I would suggest creating a custom stamp. This is a quick video I created a while back that outlines how to create custom stamps in Snagit 9, 10 or 11: http://www.screencast.com/t/tND6zE4LPr

For the weather front lines like your example, you can create the dotted black lines using this method with a bezier (curved) line:
You can also manipulate your colors from this same dropdown location.

Once you have your custom lines the way you like them, you can add this to your Quickstyles so you can use them over and over again on other images. Here is an article explaining how to add items to Quickstyles: http://www.techsmith.com/tutorial-sna...

I hope this will help.

Thanks,
Becky
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With Snagit, it's not that hard to draw those fronts with the bezier curve. And as Becky says you can easily make yourself a nice set of weather stamps. There are a few available already but not exactly what you want.
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Cool, I'll have to try that I guess the bigger concern would be the "cold and warm" fronts as they will have triangle and half circles in a curve line. but looks like we have the dry line "L" and "H" and Symbols covered! Thanks for the feed back though! I like the rain cloud symbols and thunderstorm symbols btw, Did I completely miss those ?
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I agree on the cold/warm fronts. You'll have to be nice to TechSmith and ask them if they could design and create those specific bezier curves. You gotta be really nice though Maurice. Let's face it how many meteorologists out there use Snagit that much?

You didn't miss the clouds they are available in the Snagit forum: http://forums.techsmith.com/showthrea... and I bet if you contact Jim he might make some for you special.
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Haha, true, most on TV have their own programs that do that. Just none that are free-form and readily available. Except the one I found in a corner of the internet!
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I will add that I'm basically like the person who started this weather symbol thread. Have used Jing Pro and Snagit for the same purpose (will likely be moving to Snagit 11 exclusively). I am familiar with Front Painter as well but that program is long in the tooth and not supported and is still pretty awkward to use. . Digital Atmosphere (http://www.weathergraphics.com/da/) also has a front drawing function, but that program too is already a little buggy and hasn't been updated in a long time. Getting fronts on the bezier curves would be great to produce weather briefings on the fly. My expectation is to not produce a television quality presentation, but something I can together fairly quickly but still look professional.
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There are some weather stamps included in my SuperCallouts Snagit/Camtasia add-on pack, although there are no warm/cold fronts included at this time but I will certainly see if I can't add this to future packages or perhaps even make a dedicated weather package if there is a lot of interest in this?

Here is a sample of weather icons included in the premium Snagit/Camtasia add-on called SuperCallouts. Please note that this is not a free add-on and it is not made by Techsmith.

You can read more about SuperCallouts here:
http://www.softwarecasa.com/supercall...

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Yes, I second and third and fourth this.  A true cold and warm front option would be nice.  There are world standards for what these fronts look like.  A dotted line doesn't get it.  :) 
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Hi Beau,
Can you point me to a place on the web that has the current world standard images, lines, icons, etc?

I would like to see what they are.

Thanks!
Kelly
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Sure - the biggest thing to remember about fronts is that they come in all sorts of wavy shapes.  If you just simply had one front that we were not able to twist and bend...that would not work.  It needs to be very adjustable.  They bulge out sometimes.  Sometimes they are straight NE to SW. 

Some examples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surface_weather_analysis#/media/File:Occluded_cyclone.svg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/standard/geography/weather_climate/synoptic_charts/revision/3/

More

https://www.nc-climate.ncsu.edu/edu/k12/.fronts

Let me attach a real world example of just how wavy fronts can be.  This is straight from the National Weather Service.  Everyone that I have drawn a blue line is a front.  All sorts of front types, but I just wanted you to see how wavy they are.

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So, in order for a front option to work properly, we would need the fronts to be able to bend.  A one size fits all straight front would never work in the real world.  Like your Bezier tool (except it would need to have more bend points).  Several bend points would be ideal.

The main front types are  warm front, cold front, occluded front, stationary front, and a dry line

Warm Fronts (the red fronts with half circles)  http://www.ecn.ac.uk/images/warm.gif/image_preview

Cold fronts - blue lines with triangles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_front#/media/File:Cold_front_symbol.svg

Occluded front  - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occluded_front#/media/File:Occluded_front_symbol.svg

Stationary front - is is an alternating red and blue - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stationary_front#/media/File:Stationary_front_symbol.svg

Dry line  looks like this  http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/images/dryline2.png
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Also to note...like all of your line products, having the ability to increase or decrease the size would be ideal.  That way we can scale the front to size for a weather map.

You would certainly open up a whole new market if you had weather symbol (fronts) options on SnagIt.  There is a large market among the weather community for something like this.

I will attach an example of what I mean by scaling the objects (increase or decrease the line size of the front)
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Yes, I am very much interested in this happening. There is a HUGE market of people looking for this kind of tool, there just isn't one at all other than ridiculously expensive ones from companies like WSI, Baron, AccuWeather. I used an old simple program from an abandoned project a while back that kind of works... on a map earlier this week: I use it, then place it back into SnagIt to creat arrows and H and Ls basically. But if I could do that all in Snag it It would save me a great deal of time. 
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Hi Kelly,

I'll chime in here.  I did the upgrade to Snagit, so I have the latest version.  Next, I did download the stamps that had all the weather fronts, but kind of struck out on what I wanted to do.  If there is a way, where you can give us the option of where the line can draw a cold front and then you can flex it, I think we can all be set with drawing fronts on a map.  There is so much potential.  So, hopefully, you can tackle this for us and I can't wait to see what can be done.  If you have any questions, ask away and I be glad to help out on what could be a powerful feature for Snagit.  By the way, I do produce webcast TV like show doing the weather, but if only if I had this option, I be on my way in drawing these fronts. 
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Totally agree we need the front drawing feature! You guys know how much I love you already, but this would be icing on the top.
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Amen on the front drawing feature! It's really the only think "missing" for me and my workflow using this product.
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I use SnagIt almost daily, have done so for years alongside of my regular weather software. The ability to draw fronts and other weather symbols would be fantastic! 
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Hi,

Just to sort of wrap up this conversation, I wanted to point you to some Snagit Stamps that were created a while ago. They look like this:


You can download these toward the bottom of this page:
https://www.techsmith.com/snagit-accessories-stamps.html

I know these are tools you can draw with, but they might help.

Let us know if these work for you!
Kelly
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Thank you!  :)
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Hi Kelly,

I did try that out, but still need that ability to where you have the capability to use the line feature and it has a built in ability to draw a cold front, warm front or even stationary front.  I don't know if you saw a neat software program like Front Painter or what use to be out Weather4Point, but no longer available. If you can somehow take what Front Painter, but even make easier to use that would be the way to go.  Hoping you guys can make this happen.  If it did happen, no doubt I be using Snag even more to draw up my forecast maps.  

Now, I was able to substitute colors to make the land brown and the water blue.  Thats a really awesome feature where you do color substitution.  Just don't have the time to enhance the fronts on this map.  
http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/basicwx/91fwbgus.gif

Anyway, thanks for trying to help us out.  If you have any questions, definitely let me know.  
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Yes, the ability to actually draw the complex fronts would be ideal.  Like the above poster mentioned.  The attempt is great.  Much appreciated.  But, the ability to actually draw our fronts would be best.  The fronts are complex.  Not straight lines or curves.  See the example he posted.  Thanks!!

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