What is the last version of Camtasia for Windows that supports 25 fps and .cmproj files?

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Hello Community. I'm hoping you may be able to help me. We're using Camtasia 2 on a MacBook Pro and, being in the UK, we shoot at 25fps, not 30. We've just installed Camtasia 2018 on a Windows desktop, only to discover that it doesn't support 25 fps any more, nor does it use the .cmproj file-type any more either. We need a version for Windows that will use (and save) the older file-type, and will support UK frame rates, i.e. 25 & 50 fps. We are using the MacBook on location, but will ultimately be transferring the projects to our Windows network, hence the need for compatibility between the two versions. We can change our license to an older version no problem. Could somebody please tell me what version we need? I honestly can't understand why on earth Camtasia 2018 seems like a poor quality pastiche of the excellent Camtasia 2 (and 3, which I use at home) for Mac - aren't upgrades supposed to be better and increase functionality, not decrease it? Come on Techsmith - as I believe you say on your side of the pond - wake up & smell the coffee.
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Camtasia for Windows had previously been a 30fps or nothing timeline editor. If you had 10fps footage, it was converted to 30 when it hit the timeline.

Then 2018 added 60fps. But it you won't get you to 25fps either.

I didn't realize MAC support native 25fps editing in any version. I would have complained about the heightened flexibility over Windows,  If I were aware of it.
Did it support other frame rates as well?

I'm afraid you're upgrade to Window/2018 is looking like a bit of a downgrade.

Being that one frame it artificially repeated for every five to hit 30. Which to my eyes, doesn't stand out at normal playback speeds.When I load 25fps footage.But that's on my American Computer. I do realize it creates a problem when you apply clip speed and slow down the footage.
Beyond that, pardon my lack of understanding.

I'm wondering what other problems it creates for you?
Are your computer screens run at 50fps as well? So basically everything you do is 25 or 60fps?
Or is it just camera footage that's the problem?
Or am I asking to many questions?

Regards,Joe


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aren't upgrades supposed to be better and increase functionality, not decrease it?

It's OK. Of course you have the maintenance agreement @$nnm per year so you can get the "new" version of the old features when it comes out.
But don't be surprised if it has bugs but that won't bother you because you'll have the maintenance agreement and they give you the fix for free... Sort of!
Sarcasm if that is missed.

On a serious note in this digital age why do we still bother with pal/ ntsc frame rates?
Would it be better if the industries move to say 100 fps or 50, for example just to make it that little bit more "standard"

Ask techsmith I.e. Submit a ticket.
Best of luck.
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Thanks Damian. I know what you're saying. If you see my reply to Joe, you'll understand why I have to start off with 25 or 50 fps when filming, but you're right that it doesn't matter later on when you're watching it back on with modern screens. Trust me though, I have accidentally filmed at 60 fps (not realising that someone had changed the camera settings), and it took me a lot of time & effort to fix the results! ;-)
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Hi Joe,

Thanks for the quick response. To answer your first question, Camtasia 2 for Mac supports 30, 25, 15,10, and 5 fps. Thanks for the information that Camtasia 2018 for Windows auto-converts to 30, and how it does so - that's really useful to know. Luckily, we're not slowing down our footage, so that shouldn't cause us a problem.

Filming in the UK, our camera frame rate must be set at 25 or 50 fps, or we get a strobe effect in electric light, because our AC mains frequency is 50 Hz. Viewing the footage back at 30 fps shouldn't be a problem any more, however, given the different way screens work nowadays. Older CRT screens had 50 or 100 Hz scan rates, again to work with the AC, so a 30 fps film would definitely have had that strobe effect as well, but now it doesn't matter.

So, I need to use 25 or 50 at the start, but it should be fine to use 30 later. While I'm still unimpressed that they've removed the flexibility, your information has basically solved that issue for me - thanks again.

That just leaves me with the issue of the file type being different - would you happen to have any information on that please? I know it is supposed to be able to import legacy projects, but the extension for those is listed as .camproj - not .cmproj - like they are on the Mac. Yet I read in the version history, that version 9 included compatibility with Camtasia project files made on a Mac, so is it true, and does the 2018 version retain that compatibility?

Kind regards,

Marcus.

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I really can't answer that.

What I do know is Windows and Mac were not cross platform compatible until Camtasia 9 Windows and 3 for the Mac.
So I would think there would be incompatibility issues with anything prior to Camtasia 3?

But that's strictly a guess on my part and shouln't be regarded as answer.

I'd contact tech support. There may be a process to salvage older projects.
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Thanks for the reply Joe. Given what you've said, and the replies of two Camtasia employees below, I've asked them that if I copy off the Camtasia 2 files from the works MacBook Pro, into my personal MacBook Pro, in which I have Camtasia 3, will I then be able to re-save them in a format compatible with Camtasia for Windows 2018.
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camproj files [Windows] are project files that were created by CS8 and earlier versions; the CS8 camproj's are compatible with Camtasia 9 and Camtasia 2018; when you open camproj projects in either 9 or 2018, the project is converted to the current tscproj file type

if you have camproj's created by CS7 or earlier, you will have to upgrade them in steps [7 to 8, etc] before they will open in 9/2018 [if I'm remembering all this correctly ?]

I've converted/upgraded thousands without issues
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I think there are a few things going on at the same time... if you were using ".cmproj" on "version 2" then I believe you're talking about Camtasia for Mac v2.0. These project files are not compatible with Windows. Camtasia 3 was the first version where you could share project files with Camtasia for WIndows (v9). So, this is part of your problem... Camtasia 2018 for WIndows is intended to work with project files for Camtasia 2018 for Mac.

As to 25fps- Neither Mac nor Windows support 25FPS editing. Camtasia for Mac *will* let you record at 25fps, however once it reaches the Camtasia editor, it will be 30FPS again for editing, just like on Windows. 

When encoding (sharing, producing) you can choose 25FPS then as well.
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Projects created in Camtasia 2 for Mac are not compatible with Camtasia 2018 for Mac or Windows.  Cross platform project compatibility was added in Camtasia 3 (Mac) and Camtasia 9 (Windows). Camtasia 2018 projects are cross platform.

Camtasia 2018 for Mac can open and convert Camtasia 2 for Mac projects.  If you want to use a Camtasia 2 for Mac project on the Windows platform, you will need to use the Mac version of Camtasia 2018 to convert it.  The keys for Camtasia 2018 are cross platform, so if you have a key for the windows version you also have a key for the Mac version.  But there is not reason you could not just use the trial to convert projects.  

Both Camtasia 2 for Mac and Camtasia 2018 have the ability to record at 25 fps.  Neither has the ability to edit at 25 fps.  Any 25 fps recordings you created with Camtasia 2 for Mac will work correctly in Camtasia 2018, but currently your only options are to edit in 30 fps or 60 fps.

-Stephen
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Hi Paul & Stephen,

Thanks for the replies - they're very illuminating, and lead me to a further question. As I have Camtasia 3 on my personal MacBook Pro, if I copy off the Camtasia 2 files from the works MacBook Pro, put them into mine, and open them in Camtasia 3, will I then be able to save them back out in a Camtasia for Windows compatible format, such that they would work in Camtasia 2018 for Windows?
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Yes, that should work. When you take them out of Camtasia Mac 3, use "File->Export for Windows"
Note: while most functionality matches between platforms, there are still a few things available on one that is not on the other. If you have any of those things, it will let you know.
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Thanks Paul. That's good news, and should solve any problems we might have encountered. Hopefully I haven't used any of the fancier bells & whistles that might not transfer. :-)
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Thanks to everyone who has commented and helped me resolve my issues - this is a nice community. Cheers!